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I regularly see a number of videos of clearly copyrighted content that have been up for years, with several million views, for fairly mainstream search terms an

I regularly see a number of videos of clearly copyrighted content that have been up for years, with several million views, for fairly mainstream search terms and that would be relatively easy to filter algorythmically (real example - via the characteristic sound & image of the HBO intro in a pirated tv episode). Hard to look at that and believe that Google is doing everything it can to bring them down. That they reject copyright violation reports that come from anyone other than the actual rightsholders (sure, they’d have to make sure someone is not reporting by mistake - it is not a perfect, but still a valuable signal, and if they really wanted to they could encourage it) is further evidence. Further, where these specific videos are not monetized via ads, they bring traffic to YT which is then monetized in other videos, therefore this pirated content is being used commercially, even if indirectly. Like many here I’m no fan of copyright law, but that is no excuse for a multi-billion listed company to make a fortune deliberately flaunting it and then play coy.

dahdum 8y ago
I'm not following. By your example, HBO content is being shared and Content ID can trivially determine it's HBO content. Do you have evidence that HBO wants those videos gone, but isn't capable of filing the request? Isn't it just more likely they are getting royalties instead?
- alanlamm 8y ago
  No, I don’t have evidence. But I find it unlikely that HBO wants grainy versions of full TV episodes (eg filmed from a VHS recording playing on a TV) on the page of some random YT uploader (not an HBO page or influencer or etc) even if somehow in exchange for tiny CPM royalties. That is only one of several examples I have seen. Perhaps in the case of HBO they could be doing a better job given their size & resources, but for smaller creators it would be a challenge and why should the burden be on them anyway?
  - icebraining 8y ago
    Can you link to one of these videos filmed from a VHS recording playing on a TV which has several million views?
    - manquer 8y ago
      Individually they don't get million views as beyond a certain view count youtube will flag and remove. However I have seen plenty of shows get constantly reuploaded with new accounts. They usually crop or put some padding animation etc to get through content ID. With HBO' content you can search for example John Oliver's non free segments which are not available on the official channel
      - icebraining 8y ago
        Right, but that's not what alanlamm was talking about. The claim was that there were videos with millions of views that were trivially detectable, and that Google simply didn't care.
        PavlovsCat 8y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpmOEfgOG-6uC7Y45UI1VU9s1pTJ5YBbp https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpmOEfgOG-6uC7Y45UI1V... First result for "HBO movie".
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        icebraining 8y ago
        So a bunch of twenty year old movies (not actually by HBO for the most part, but whatever) that probably didn't sell even at the time. My guess is that those companies didn't even bother to submit them to Content-ID, considering that Google had no problem detecting a bunch of copyright songs in those movies, for which they're paying royalties. If submitting stuff to Content-ID is the "challenge" that alanlamm was talking about, then fine, color me unconcerned.
Lapsed 8y ago
How do you know the copy-write holder has not claimed the revenue for that video? Taking the video down is only one of the options for copy-write holders.
MikeGale 8y ago
Good luck with filtering algorithmically. There was a recent stupidity that Sony was claiming all to rights, to all performances of the work of long dead, famous composers. Now if they got hit with a few billion bucks for such blatant nonsense this thing might work... or just have little guys publish their own, decent laws about fair use and no Internet behemoths getting in the way.

dahdum 8y ago

I'm not following. By your example, HBO content is being shared and Content ID can trivially determine it's HBO content. Do you have evidence that HBO wants those videos gone, but isn't capable of filing the request? Isn't it just more likely they are getting royalties instead?

alanlamm 8y ago
No, I don’t have evidence. But I find it unlikely that HBO wants grainy versions of full TV episodes (eg filmed from a VHS recording playing on a TV) on the page of some random YT uploader (not an HBO page or influencer or etc) even if somehow in exchange for tiny CPM royalties. That is only one of several examples I have seen. Perhaps in the case of HBO they could be doing a better job given their size & resources, but for smaller creators it would be a challenge and why should the burden be on them anyway?
- icebraining 8y ago
  Can you link to one of these videos filmed from a VHS recording playing on a TV which has several million views?
  - manquer 8y ago
    Individually they don't get million views as beyond a certain view count youtube will flag and remove. However I have seen plenty of shows get constantly reuploaded with new accounts. They usually crop or put some padding animation etc to get through content ID. With HBO' content you can search for example John Oliver's non free segments which are not available on the official channel
    - icebraining 8y ago
      Right, but that's not what alanlamm was talking about. The claim was that there were videos with millions of views that were trivially detectable, and that Google simply didn't care.
      - PavlovsCat 8y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpmOEfgOG-6uC7Y45UI1VU9s1pTJ5YBbp https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpmOEfgOG-6uC7Y45UI1V... First result for "HBO movie".
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        icebraining 8y ago
        So a bunch of twenty year old movies (not actually by HBO for the most part, but whatever) that probably didn't sell even at the time. My guess is that those companies didn't even bother to submit them to Content-ID, considering that Google had no problem detecting a bunch of copyright songs in those movies, for which they're paying royalties. If submitting stuff to Content-ID is the "challenge" that alanlamm was talking about, then fine, color me unconcerned.

Lapsed 8y ago

How do you know the copy-write holder has not claimed the revenue for that video? Taking the video down is only one of the options for copy-write holders.

MikeGale 8y ago

Good luck with filtering algorithmically. There was a recent stupidity that Sony was claiming all to rights, to all performances of the work of long dead, famous composers. Now if they got hit with a few billion bucks for such blatant nonsense this thing might work... or just have little guys publish their own, decent laws about fair use and no Internet behemoths getting in the way.