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I just ran their audit to https://mail.google.com https://mail.google.com, you guys (googlers) need to speed up your websites first, Gmail is terrible slow late
by yandrypozo 8y ago
I just ran their audit to https://mail.google.com https://mail.google.com, you guys (googlers) need to speed up your websites first, Gmail is terrible slow lately, just saying...
- partiallypro 8y agoGoogle's pagespeed service is hot garbage. You can do things that make the page load significantly slower and get a perfect score than if you had a lower pagespeed score with a much faster page load. I also find it strange how I can get an A on every other page speed service, including GTMetrix, but get an F on Google's tes(s). Totally useless.
- billyhoffman 8y agoIsn't GTMetrix just a combined Page Speed Insights and YSlow audit?
- partiallypro 8y agoIt uses an older version of Pagespeed, yes.
- josefresco 8y agoI never pay attention to the "grades" only the data, especially the waterfall graph/data. The grades are ridiculous, and mostly meant to cause alarm. You can score 100/100 on almost every test, but get a "D" overall because you scored poorly on 1 or 2 tests. It's great tool for techs, but in the hands of a client almost every result/score appears terrible.
- wild_preference 8y agoMeh, these tests are just good ways to find obvious problems with your site. Fixating on the overall score seems like an indication of a different problem. For example, you can't change the caching behavior of google-analytics.js, and it's usually intractable to split apart your CSS to optimize for above-the-fold content. Oh well, you didn't get a perfect score. Stay practical.
- partiallypro 8y agoTry selling that to a client that keeps using the test against a site that is A rated everywhere else because Google's brand has fooled them into thinking a perfect score means better SEO.
- arkitaip 8y agoTrue. This is like when movie studios start obsessing about the Metacritic ranking on their movies instead of focusing on the quality of the movies.
- savethefuture 8y agoThis is a problem we run into, clients will run their site through a speed tester then give us a list of things to fix...without having a clue of what the ratings and results even mean.
- wild_preference 8y agoRight, that would be an example of a "different problem." I'd be hard pressed to let stupid things client/managers can do direct how this sort of tool should work. For example, it'd be silly to demand "score inflation" just because your client is unreasonable. Or rather, if a client is making your life hard, I don't think it's the world that needs to change. What's your solution if your client measures your success by punching their website into https://www.worthofweb.com/calculator/ https://www.worthofweb.com/calculator/? And doesn't take you seriously enough to listen to you in general?
- rocky1138 8y agoGoogle Pagespeed once recommended that I enable gzip compression on an embedded Google map. https://johnrockefeller.net/google-pagespeed-_/ https://johnrockefeller.net/google-pagespeed-_/
- arkitaip 8y agoMost performance profilers will penalize you for embedding Google Analytics and Google Fonts because they have poor caching settings. What's so important about those resources that they can't be cached for longer periods?
- gondo 8y agotracking
- jopsen 8y agohttps://developers.google.com/fonts/faq#what_does_using_the_google_fonts_api_mean_for_the_privacy_of_my_users https://developers.google.com/fonts/faq#what_does_using_the_... I'm no lawyer, but I read that as it is not used for tracking users. (full disclosure: I work at Google, on something unrelated)
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- philtar 8y agoDo you have a guess why those assets are not cached more aggressively?
- fantyoon 8y agoThis is a complete guess but I suppose one request everyday would be enough to get atleast some idea of how popular any given font is. The page says its to keep them updated but I highly doubt that would be the reason.
- m3nu 8y agoDoesn't work against my S3-hosted static site? "Error: 500 from Lighthouse API: Internal Server Error"
- foxylad 8y agoSame for my Cloudflare-fronted Appengine site.
- vinniejames 8y agoSame on multiple domains, I think their site is broken
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- zwaps 8y agoSame here, custom hosted website.
- amygdyl 8y agoI said this in reply to QUIC apparently ignoring hardware TLS offload... Is this for real? Even Quick Assist? I am watching the internet be developed by the giants for the giants. In my memory, giants didn't act like giants. "At scale" wasn't a preprocessor. Browser developer tools were written to help you participate in conversation, not play unending catch up in translation, the meaning lost in acoustics of auditoria for the life of me I would think giants could make intelligible.
- rawoke083600 8y agoI agree it's not perfect! But my view is that if they(Google) did the effort todo pagespeed, then lighthouse, then integrate lighthouse in Chrome.. and now in a separate website... Some of the metrics must be import for your rankings/site - even if only indirectly (slow site etc)
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- jansan 8y agoOn our website Google's pagespeed mainly complained about the Google Analytics snippets.
- crunchlibrarian 8y agoWhen Gmail first came out I was amazed at how fast it was, so much faster than the native outlook client I used at the time, wow! How is that even possible in javascript! Now gmail is slower than most any other website I use regularly. Can't even refresh the inbox in less than three seconds. I've noticed the same slower by a bit every year pattern with google maps too. I'm afraid to click anything when I have a map open because I know it might trigger a repaint which will cause me to sigh and switch to another tab while it chugs for a few seconds to accomplish this.
- ocdtrekkie 8y agoThe difference in performance between Fastmail and the new Gmail interface right now is freaking stunning. I still load Gmail every few days to see if I have email there, and it's like waiting for Windows 98 to boot.
- joobus 8y agoSetup forwarding in Gmail to send to a fastmail address. Problem solved.
- ocdtrekkie 8y agoThis was actually an intentional choice not to do that. Setting up forwarding means you may have email continually passing through Google servers you didn't realize was still doing so. By having a hard cut between the two, I know for a fact that any email received at FastMail is not going through my Gmail account, and any email received at Gmail is, and needs to have the contact information updated. I have a vacation auto-responder permanently on on Gmail as well to notify any individuals who hit my old address where my new address is.
- mortehu 8y agoThe main Gmail desktop website is sort of like a desktop application. Most active users keep it permanently open. Try https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/x/ https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/x/ , https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/ https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/ or https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/mu/ https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/mu/ (on mobile these will redirect unless you enable "request desktop site")
- Touche 8y agoThis is a bad take. By releasing tools like this it helps all websites, including Gmail, have the data on how to speed up their website.
- svnpenn 8y agoNot really. Would you take webdev advice from a company where their own apps are memory hog/leaking garbage (Gmail)? At some point you need to call a square a square.
- fold_left 8y ago> Not really. Would you take webdev advice from a company where their own apps are memory hog/leaking garbage (Gmail)? At some point you need to call a square a square. Wait, was web.dev built by the Gmail team? I always assumed Google was bigger and more complex than that?
- dmitriid 8y agoYup. It’s a company that routinely breaks the web, pursues its own standards at the detroment of others and and will prioritize things like AMP over any of its own tools.
- stef25 8y agoTheir advice isn't perfect but that doesn't mean I won't pay attention to it. Memory use and leaking isn't really covered in their page speed advice anyway, which is mostly about server side caching, image optimisation, css / js delivery. If there's any other decent page speed assistance I'd love to see it.
- Touche 8y agoIf you disagree with the advice on web.dev then that's fine. Call that out. Saying that the advice is wrong because another team in another building, maybe in another city or another country, built an app you don't like, is just wrong. This sort of ad hominem is beneath HN.
- sumoboy 8y agoYou think gmail is slow, try the new adwords interface.
- e40 8y agoOr the g suite admin console. Cripes, it's insanely frustrating to use.
- r1ch 8y agoSeriously! Every click feels like a chore, it's easily 3+ seconds before the page is interactive again. I've started using the mobile app for everyday tasks since it's so much more responsive, I just wish it supported better password resets.
- hanoz 8y agoGoogle seems to be increasingly giving the impression of collapsing under its own weight.
- e40 8y agoThat's kinda what it feels like to me. Does g suite already have so much technical debt that they can't make it better? It's been this way since I started using it, more than a year ago.
- mellow-lake-day 8y agoOr the Google Cloud Platform
- Semaphor 8y agoI assume it's the same as the DFP/AdManager interface? Because every click means I can make a new pot of coffee.
- alexbecker 8y agoOh man, I used to be on the team that built that. It's just enormous. If you're on Chrome, the optimizations are sometimes enough to make it smooth. If you're on any other browser, god help you. I used to see 30s(!) reflows in Firefox.
- onlyrealcuzzo 8y agoRecent Ad Words user here. It is quite possibly the worst application I've used in years. I get that they offer a LOT of products and that the nature of the business is complicated. But, man, was everything about that process awful. And the UI is unbearably slow.
- logicallee 8y agoI think it is in poor taste for Google to publish https://web.dev/ https://web.dev/ during the new desktop Gmail. >Google's web platform team has spent over a decade learning about user needs. Now we want to make it as easy as possible for you to master the defining standards of web development today. >Fast load times >Guarantee your site loads quickly to avoid user drop off. "Loading Gmail" >Network resilience >See consistent, reliable performance regardless of network quality. "Loading..." (in yellow at the top, after clicking a search result. Indefinitely.) (some other non-quoted parts are OK) >Accessible to all >[Build] a site that works for all of your users.
- gowld 8y agoA Gmail account has has 10+GB of data. Users for the most part don't want 10GB in browser local storage. Gmail's speed problems are in the backend, not the web UI.
- joshfraser 8y agoThat's not true. Pop open your console and watch the network tab for yourself. Slow websites are almost always due to frontend issues. Besides, Google has the ability to index the entire internet and return results in milliseconds. I'm guessing it's not my 10GB of email that's tripping them up.
- logicallee 8y agowhat you've written is totally false. It worked fine on the old UI, and also still works fine in simple HTML mode. You can see this yourself here: http://mail.google.com/mail/h/ http://mail.google.com/mail/h/ (direct link to html view. you have to already be signed in for this link to work.) Side note: I'm sure you would have mentioned it, but you don't happen to work at Google on the new Gmail front-end, do you? (Since I could see someone who is, trying to deflect blame for their current bugs by "blaming the back-end".) Just want to make sure...
- davidjnelson 8y ago> “Loading..." (in yellow at the top, after clicking a search result. Indefinitely.) I dig google and its products but oh wow is this bug frustrating. Hope it’s fixed soon.
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- IloveHN84 8y agoGoogle websites and services are terribly slow
- dextersgenius 8y agoEven Google.com doesn't fare too well by their own standards. https://lighthouse-dot-webdotdevsite.appspot.com/lh/html?url=https://www.google.com https://lighthouse-dot-webdotdevsite.appspot.com/lh/html?url...
- pmarin 8y ago>Gmail is terrible slow lately, just saying... Recently I started using the html only version of Gmail because for my user case is faster than the web app.