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Yes, they need to straight up just build more housing. Isn't it technically that they need to build massive housing that can get to the jobs in SF in a reasona

Yes, they need to straight up just build more housing. Isn't it technically that they need to build massive housing that can get to the jobs in SF in a reasonable commute time? So either they need to figure out a way to get commuters into the city quickly (a mass transit solution) or they need to build a lot more housing where current single family housing is. I guess if they want the look of the city to stay the same they really need a get-them-in-and-out plan that actually works.

DoreenMichele 8y ago
I'm having technical difficulties and not readily finding a heat map. Trulia used to have one, but may have discontinued it. However, if you look at a heat map of housing prices, the entire SF Bay Area is very expensive. This is likely in part because what you are proposing is already how SF handles things: Just fob the housing issue off onto neighboring cities, not my problem. We just do crazy high paid jobs and fuck you when it comes to housing. It's part of why their homeless problem is so very bad that I have read articles about how much visitors to the city express horror to the hotel staff and even indicate "I don't ever want to come back here again!" So the odds are good that there is a real cost involved in acting like this is not their problem. I left California to find more affordable housing. I was homeless in California for some years and willing to move to find affordable housing. I moved from San Diego County to Fresno, which has much more affordable housing than most of California. I've done a lot of research into housing issues for many years, starting well before I became homeless because I wanted to be an urban planner before life got in the way. I've also done a lot of research into housing options within California in specific before I threw my hands up and left the state. California has about 25% of the nation's homeless population while having only about 12% of the nation's overall population. Surveys suggest that about 90% of the homeless were residents of California prior to ending up on the street. They have more people sleeping rough than is typical of other states and, IIRC, they have more chronic homeless. There are lots of problems that grow out of that. There is a nationwide spike in Hepatitis, which can be deadly, and can be potentially traced to San Diego as its origin and potentially to the homeless population there. The CDC has kept that on the down low, so most people aren't aware of this spike and the death's associated with it. I think San Francisco and California are both making big, big mistakes in acting like this is not really a thing they need to buckle down and resolve. California is importing rich people, exporting poor people and dealing with increasingly intense crises of various sorts. I left. There probably isn't a week that goes by where I don't say (or hear from one of my sons) "Thank god, we moved to civilization. Life is so much better here." So it isn't really my problem anymore. But I think folks there who are refusing to really deal with this in some kind of effective manner are idiots, cutting their own throats.
manfredo 8y ago
People are willing to pay a premium to avoid commute times. Not to mention, commuting is bad for the environment and wastes people's time. There's demand for housing in San Fransisco. Ignoring this demand and trying to placate it by building housing out of San Fransisco probably won't do much to dent housing prices. Even if it does, we'll still pay the price in increased traffic, pollution, and urban sprawl.

DoreenMichele 8y ago

I'm having technical difficulties and not readily finding a heat map. Trulia used to have one, but may have discontinued it. However, if you look at a heat map of housing prices, the entire SF Bay Area is very expensive. This is likely in part because what you are proposing is already how SF handles things: Just fob the housing issue off onto neighboring cities, not my problem. We just do crazy high paid jobs and fuck you when it comes to housing. It's part of why their homeless problem is so very bad that I have read articles about how much visitors to the city express horror to the hotel staff and even indicate "I don't ever want to come back here again!" So the odds are good that there is a real cost involved in acting like this is not their problem. I left California to find more affordable housing. I was homeless in California for some years and willing to move to find affordable housing. I moved from San Diego County to Fresno, which has much more affordable housing than most of California. I've done a lot of research into housing issues for many years, starting well before I became homeless because I wanted to be an urban planner before life got in the way. I've also done a lot of research into housing options within California in specific before I threw my hands up and left the state. California has about 25% of the nation's homeless population while having only about 12% of the nation's overall population. Surveys suggest that about 90% of the homeless were residents of California prior to ending up on the street. They have more people sleeping rough than is typical of other states and, IIRC, they have more chronic homeless. There are lots of problems that grow out of that. There is a nationwide spike in Hepatitis, which can be deadly, and can be potentially traced to San Diego as its origin and potentially to the homeless population there. The CDC has kept that on the down low, so most people aren't aware of this spike and the death's associated with it. I think San Francisco and California are both making big, big mistakes in acting like this is not really a thing they need to buckle down and resolve. California is importing rich people, exporting poor people and dealing with increasingly intense crises of various sorts. I left. There probably isn't a week that goes by where I don't say (or hear from one of my sons) "Thank god, we moved to civilization. Life is so much better here." So it isn't really my problem anymore. But I think folks there who are refusing to really deal with this in some kind of effective manner are idiots, cutting their own throats.

manfredo 8y ago

People are willing to pay a premium to avoid commute times. Not to mention, commuting is bad for the environment and wastes people's time. There's demand for housing in San Fransisco. Ignoring this demand and trying to placate it by building housing out of San Fransisco probably won't do much to dent housing prices. Even if it does, we'll still pay the price in increased traffic, pollution, and urban sprawl.