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Can you explain how that works?

by banach 8y ago

kakarot 8y ago
Glysophate is an herbicide. It's only supposed to come into contact with plants you're killing, not plants you're growing for consumption.
- mercutio2 8y ago
  Glyphosate is an herbicide. But food for consumption isn’t certified alone, the whole farm production system is. And farms that have recently used glyphosate on a given plot of land generally cannot be certified organic in the USA. Are you claiming to be a certified organic farmer in the US who has used glyphosate on cropland before planting, been honest with your certifier, and then had your crop successfully certified?
  - kakarot 8y ago
    I myself wasn't certified but according to owner of the farm, everything was legit.
    - mercutio2 8y ago
      Opposition to synthetic herbicides (in fact, opposition specifically to glyphosate formulations like RoundUp) form the bedrock of the organic movement. To be certified organic, a formerly non-certified field must have been under an organic plan for a minimum of three years, which specifically must not be marketed as organic, and must not use any synthetic herbicides (again, explicitly, glyphosate is called out as the most common herbicide which must be completely eschewed on that plot of land [0]). I can’t tell, from a distance, whether the owner of the farm you worked on was concealing their glyphosate usage from their certifier (surprisingly hard, the certification process is pretty intense), or if this farmer was doing uncertified work which is often marketed as “pesticide free” or “no spray”. Alternatively, some people market crops as “organic (uncertified)”, which doesn’t really mean anything legally, and so a farmer can pretty much do whatever they want as long as they’re not poisoning their customers. [0] https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/GuideForOrganicCropProducers.pdf https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/GuideForO...

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Can you explain how that works?

by banach 8y ago

Can you explain how that works?

kakarot 8y ago
Glysophate is an herbicide. It's only supposed to come into contact with plants you're killing, not plants you're growing for consumption.
- mercutio2 8y ago
  Glyphosate is an herbicide. But food for consumption isn’t certified alone, the whole farm production system is. And farms that have recently used glyphosate on a given plot of land generally cannot be certified organic in the USA. Are you claiming to be a certified organic farmer in the US who has used glyphosate on cropland before planting, been honest with your certifier, and then had your crop successfully certified?
  - kakarot 8y ago
    I myself wasn't certified but according to owner of the farm, everything was legit.
    - mercutio2 8y ago
      Opposition to synthetic herbicides (in fact, opposition specifically to glyphosate formulations like RoundUp) form the bedrock of the organic movement. To be certified organic, a formerly non-certified field must have been under an organic plan for a minimum of three years, which specifically must not be marketed as organic, and must not use any synthetic herbicides (again, explicitly, glyphosate is called out as the most common herbicide which must be completely eschewed on that plot of land [0]). I can’t tell, from a distance, whether the owner of the farm you worked on was concealing their glyphosate usage from their certifier (surprisingly hard, the certification process is pretty intense), or if this farmer was doing uncertified work which is often marketed as “pesticide free” or “no spray”. Alternatively, some people market crops as “organic (uncertified)”, which doesn’t really mean anything legally, and so a farmer can pretty much do whatever they want as long as they’re not poisoning their customers. [0] https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/GuideForOrganicCropProducers.pdf https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/GuideForO...