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Nonsense is a strong word. I run a collaborative writing forum for mostly a pre-teen and teen demographic. It's the ilk of what got me into writing as a young

Nonsense is a strong word. I run a collaborative writing forum for mostly a pre-teen and teen demographic. It's the ilk of what got me into writing as a young one. They don't have money to spend, but ads keep the forum alive. It would be extreme to say my forum has nothing to offer these youngsters, or that my lone banner-ad eclipses any good my forum may be doing. As ads die, we're just going to continue witnessing the centralization of the internet which surely isn't all that great, either.

esotericn 8y ago
If advertising didn't exist, you just wouldn't run the forum at all? It's hard for me to get a sense of scale here, I wouldn't have thought that this sort of thing would require more than a token level of resources.
- wild_preference 8y ago
  Well, the forum costs $250-300+/month. Ads on the same forum used to give me $3,000/mo back in the day which bought me time to enrich the forum. Now they only cover $200/mo at best, so I'm left paying $100+/mo out of pocket. It's not just server costs, but database costs and ancillary services like S3 hosting/bandwidth, $20/mo to CloudFlare, and more. And, most of all, the amount of my own time that I expend to run it all. Not to mention the constant anxiety of "is it still online" I always have in the back of my head. Everyone's charity has a limit. I consider shutting it down all the time but it becomes hard when I browse my own forum watching people connecting and writing. And losing money on this forum over the years is one of the sacrifices I've made which accelerated my return from the beaches of Thailand. Sometimes I look at that with regret. The forum cost more than my rent. Using off-the-shelf software like vBulletin/Xenforo is expensive. You end up throwing money at scaling issues because it's essentially a black box. I ended up migrating to my own software to wrestle control over costs. But it was an incredible amount of work to rebuild a popular forum from scratch. I could do it because I was in my mid-20s living off savings in Thailand. But I'm not, anymore, and I'm left throwing money at scaling issues again because it's hard to commit serious engineering work to something that isn't a profitable venture. The opportunity cost is huge.
  - esotericn 8y ago
    Fair enough. It sounds a lot larger than I'd expected from your original post. I wish you the best of luck.

esotericn 8y ago

If advertising didn't exist, you just wouldn't run the forum at all? It's hard for me to get a sense of scale here, I wouldn't have thought that this sort of thing would require more than a token level of resources.

wild_preference 8y ago
Well, the forum costs $250-300+/month. Ads on the same forum used to give me $3,000/mo back in the day which bought me time to enrich the forum. Now they only cover $200/mo at best, so I'm left paying $100+/mo out of pocket. It's not just server costs, but database costs and ancillary services like S3 hosting/bandwidth, $20/mo to CloudFlare, and more. And, most of all, the amount of my own time that I expend to run it all. Not to mention the constant anxiety of "is it still online" I always have in the back of my head. Everyone's charity has a limit. I consider shutting it down all the time but it becomes hard when I browse my own forum watching people connecting and writing. And losing money on this forum over the years is one of the sacrifices I've made which accelerated my return from the beaches of Thailand. Sometimes I look at that with regret. The forum cost more than my rent. Using off-the-shelf software like vBulletin/Xenforo is expensive. You end up throwing money at scaling issues because it's essentially a black box. I ended up migrating to my own software to wrestle control over costs. But it was an incredible amount of work to rebuild a popular forum from scratch. I could do it because I was in my mid-20s living off savings in Thailand. But I'm not, anymore, and I'm left throwing money at scaling issues again because it's hard to commit serious engineering work to something that isn't a profitable venture. The opportunity cost is huge.
- esotericn 8y ago
  Fair enough. It sounds a lot larger than I'd expected from your original post. I wish you the best of luck.