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This rests on the assumption that immigrants "deplete systems" and that citizens don't. They're both just people. If anything, immigrants are generally above-a

This rests on the assumption that immigrants "deplete systems" and that citizens don't. They're both just people. If anything, immigrants are generally above-average in terms of dedication (for one, there's a sampling bias because they've just travelled across countries to come to yours). Limiting access to contributory systems (e.g. having a state pension require contribution) is reasonable, preventing someone from literally setting foot in a country or trading within a country is not that.

vetinari 8y ago
The visa-regime borders are not mutually exclusive with migration either. Actually, it ensures, that the country gets the well-driven ones. If you want to see, how to destroy a country fast, have look at the UN Global Compact for Migration. Social service-wise, it binds the countries to provide more for immigrants (even those entering illegally) than for their own citizens!
- objectivetruth 8y ago
  > Social service-wise, it binds the countries to provide more for immigrants (even those entering illegally) than for their own citizens! I'm curious what you mean by this: either, a) the compact has language to the effect of "You must provide better services to immigrants than your own citizens." OR, b) the compact requires X standards of human services for immigrants and many countries don't even currently provide those standards for their citizens? Or something else? a) seems very unlikely. b) would make sense since a migration/refugee compact naturally wouldn't have standards about general citizen human service standards. Plus, if the compact does specify a basic level of human services, many countries, especially the US, already don't meet those standards for their citizens. Either way, that doesn't provide any evidence that net immigration "destroys a country fast."

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This rests on the assumption that immigrants "deplete systems" and that citizens don't. They're both just people. If anything, immigrants are generally above-a

by esotericn 8y ago

vetinari 8y ago
The visa-regime borders are not mutually exclusive with migration either. Actually, it ensures, that the country gets the well-driven ones. If you want to see, how to destroy a country fast, have look at the UN Global Compact for Migration. Social service-wise, it binds the countries to provide more for immigrants (even those entering illegally) than for their own citizens!
- objectivetruth 8y ago
  > Social service-wise, it binds the countries to provide more for immigrants (even those entering illegally) than for their own citizens! I'm curious what you mean by this: either, a) the compact has language to the effect of "You must provide better services to immigrants than your own citizens." OR, b) the compact requires X standards of human services for immigrants and many countries don't even currently provide those standards for their citizens? Or something else? a) seems very unlikely. b) would make sense since a migration/refugee compact naturally wouldn't have standards about general citizen human service standards. Plus, if the compact does specify a basic level of human services, many countries, especially the US, already don't meet those standards for their citizens. Either way, that doesn't provide any evidence that net immigration "destroys a country fast."