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The causes of this political shift are complex 2018 - (1945 - 12) Now compare to average life-expectancy.

by charlesism 8y ago

presscast 8y ago
Your point may be obvious to you, but it's indecipherable to others. Could you elaborate?
- arkades 8y ago
  Not OP but: Almost everyone old enough to have a shred of memory regarding the last time global politics went this way has passed away.
  - charlesism 8y ago
    Precisely.
  - XorNot 8y ago
    See also: vaccination.
- charlesism 8y ago
  Nearly everyone who witnessed WW2 is dead. It's harder to sell nationalism or strong men politicians when you have a segment of the population who understand the dangers. Learning about WW1 or WW2 through a book or a video doesn't cut it. Not like living it.
  - cortesoft 8y ago
    I mean, Nazis and Fascists were able to sell nationalism to their people only 15 years after WWI, so I don’t think that is what kept us safe.
    - charlesism 8y ago
      That's an oversimplification. You really can't overstate how great the pacifist sentiment was after WW1. That's one reason why the rest of Europe allowed the Germans to illegally rebuild their military (not to mention, to annex/invade). European politicians didn't dare to do anything because most Europeans demanded peace (eg: "peace for our time")
      - ThomPete 8y ago
        Which then actually shows that it's not clear whether it's good or bad that we forget about our past. Also, I don't believe the pacifist sentiment is was as great as you say. Perhaps politicians and those in the know perhaps but not amongst everyday people. Anyway, conflicts are rarely rational but territorial and will express themselves in many different ways. What we learn from history is not that we shouldn't fight wars but that there are many ways to win them.
        Juliate 8y ago
        It's not a matter of belief. People of these times wrote down what they witnessed. "Perhaps" is not an argument. The first and only way to win a war is not to start it.
        ThomPete 8y ago
        Reading about what other people experienced and actually experiencing it is two very different things. Most people didn't experience the front line, instead, they experienced poverty. So it depends on what the purpose is. Many if not most wars are about territory which is about access to resources.
      - Koshkin 8y ago
        Another opinion on this is that both the West and the Soviet Union were hoping to use Germany's growing military might against each other. Everyone ended up paying dearly for that.
      - 8y ago
OpenBSD-reich 8y ago
Everybody loves to trash Nazi Germany yet barely make a peep when presented Bolshevist thought. Could it be that those you can't openly question are such because they hold immense power in our society? Could it be that... ... Hitler was right all along? Nevermind the down revisions in "victims" at Auschwitz and others were never reflected in the 6 million trope constantly flaunted around. Nevermind the fact 6 million was thrown around in jewish publications for decades before Hitler took power. Nevermind the supposed drop in jewish numbers isn't reflected in worldwide census numbers through the before, during, and after periods. Adolf Hitler is Emmanuel Goldstein, and must be suppressed for the good of Oceania! He must be brought out and tarred everytime a European opposes a globalist future. Watch this comment be deleted and this account possibly banned. Won't matter, I browse and post over Tor anyhow and can easily create another. Rule 1) of the internet: never put your real info in the boxes.
- charlesism 8y ago
  See, if you said that in the 1960s, your dad would spit out his coffee and berate you. Thank you, you have proven my point.
  - OpenBSD-reich 8y ago
    Ten minutes is all it took for my comment to go poof. The suppression is strong. Long live Emmanuel Goldstein!
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
rijoja 8y ago
The rest of us that sees the world a tad more nuanced than whatever CNN spoonfeeds us realizes that there have been numerous conflict, ethnical-cleansing and wars since WWII.
- charlesism 8y ago
  Cynicism alone does not make a person wise. Wiser than CNN alone, maybe, but not wise.
msla 8y ago
Indeed. You can make the same comment on why Marxist thought is on an apparent upswing among young Internet users, now that it's 25+ years since the USSR fell.

The causes of this political shift are complex 2018 - (1945 - 12) Now compare to average life-expectancy.

presscast 8y ago

Your point may be obvious to you, but it's indecipherable to others. Could you elaborate?

arkades 8y ago
Not OP but: Almost everyone old enough to have a shred of memory regarding the last time global politics went this way has passed away.
- charlesism 8y ago
  Precisely.
- XorNot 8y ago
  See also: vaccination.
charlesism 8y ago
Nearly everyone who witnessed WW2 is dead. It's harder to sell nationalism or strong men politicians when you have a segment of the population who understand the dangers. Learning about WW1 or WW2 through a book or a video doesn't cut it. Not like living it.
- cortesoft 8y ago
  I mean, Nazis and Fascists were able to sell nationalism to their people only 15 years after WWI, so I don’t think that is what kept us safe.
  - charlesism 8y ago
    That's an oversimplification. You really can't overstate how great the pacifist sentiment was after WW1. That's one reason why the rest of Europe allowed the Germans to illegally rebuild their military (not to mention, to annex/invade). European politicians didn't dare to do anything because most Europeans demanded peace (eg: "peace for our time")
    - ThomPete 8y ago
      Which then actually shows that it's not clear whether it's good or bad that we forget about our past. Also, I don't believe the pacifist sentiment is was as great as you say. Perhaps politicians and those in the know perhaps but not amongst everyday people. Anyway, conflicts are rarely rational but territorial and will express themselves in many different ways. What we learn from history is not that we shouldn't fight wars but that there are many ways to win them.
      - Juliate 8y ago
        It's not a matter of belief. People of these times wrote down what they witnessed. "Perhaps" is not an argument. The first and only way to win a war is not to start it.
        ThomPete 8y ago
        Reading about what other people experienced and actually experiencing it is two very different things. Most people didn't experience the front line, instead, they experienced poverty. So it depends on what the purpose is. Many if not most wars are about territory which is about access to resources.
    - Koshkin 8y ago
      Another opinion on this is that both the West and the Soviet Union were hoping to use Germany's growing military might against each other. Everyone ended up paying dearly for that.
    - 8y ago

OpenBSD-reich 8y ago

Everybody loves to trash Nazi Germany yet barely make a peep when presented Bolshevist thought. Could it be that those you can't openly question are such because they hold immense power in our society? Could it be that... ... Hitler was right all along? Nevermind the down revisions in "victims" at Auschwitz and others were never reflected in the 6 million trope constantly flaunted around. Nevermind the fact 6 million was thrown around in jewish publications for decades before Hitler took power. Nevermind the supposed drop in jewish numbers isn't reflected in worldwide census numbers through the before, during, and after periods. Adolf Hitler is Emmanuel Goldstein, and must be suppressed for the good of Oceania! He must be brought out and tarred everytime a European opposes a globalist future. Watch this comment be deleted and this account possibly banned. Won't matter, I browse and post over Tor anyhow and can easily create another. Rule 1) of the internet: never put your real info in the boxes.

charlesism 8y ago
See, if you said that in the 1960s, your dad would spit out his coffee and berate you. Thank you, you have proven my point.
- OpenBSD-reich 8y ago
  Ten minutes is all it took for my comment to go poof. The suppression is strong. Long live Emmanuel Goldstein!
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]

rijoja 8y ago

The rest of us that sees the world a tad more nuanced than whatever CNN spoonfeeds us realizes that there have been numerous conflict, ethnical-cleansing and wars since WWII.

charlesism 8y ago
Cynicism alone does not make a person wise. Wiser than CNN alone, maybe, but not wise.

msla 8y ago

Indeed. You can make the same comment on why Marxist thought is on an apparent upswing among young Internet users, now that it's 25+ years since the USSR fell.