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I don't trust the EU. They seem to go after companies with deep pockets when they need money. Look at the Google Android controversy lately. Nokia, any EU phone

I don't trust the EU. They seem to go after companies with deep pockets when they need money. Look at the Google Android controversy lately. Nokia, any EU phone creator (are there any?), any EU phone creator that wants to get in the market can all create a phone that is not Android. Google traded the OS for install preference rather than money. It's called bartering. The EU let this go for years. Now Alphabet has money and no one in the EU stepped up to take on Android, so the EU wants its pound of flesh. Will my project run afoul of the 3rd party rules? No. May I have to spend money on legal protection from the EU when they erroneously come asking for money? Maybe. This is my issue. I don't know. The EU says it has policing power across the globe. If an EU citizen steps foot in the sovereign territory of another country, the EU says that all their privacy laws apply.

icebraining 8y ago
If an EU citizen steps foot in the sovereign territory of another country, the EU says that all their privacy laws apply. That's not true. The GDPR doesn't apply to citizens of the EU, but to people in the EU or services performed there.
- sbr464 8y ago
  If I read correctly, GDPR does apply when non-EU companies market services specifically to people from the EU. For example a US based hotel deploying a targeted marketing campaign in the EU. I could be wrong.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    Yes, you're right; the distinction I was making is that it's about their presence in the EU, not their citizenship. In fact, an American citizen living in the EU is also covered, whereas an EU citizen living in the US is not. An in fact, it's even less than that: the site only has to care if they target people in the EU (not necessarily exclusively) or if they're tracking behaviours. Simply being accessible online doesn't mean it has to comply, whereas e.g. accepting Euro payments probably does.
    - sbr464 8y ago
      That's interesting, didn't know that about foreign citizen coverage.
dasil003 8y ago
I find it shocking how quick some people are to denounce government intervention these days. Are you seriously not concerned about Google’s market clout and the amount of data they have? Thank god the EU is there to temper their entitlement a bit. Meanwhile you’re sitting here daydreaming about how your startup is going to be so big EU regulators are going to come after you. Well that would be an excellent problem to have, in actuality you are far more likely to be killed by Google sucking the oxygen out of your market.
- virmundi 8y ago
  I don’t care about Google’s clout. I use them for less and less and where I use them I don’t care. I use them for email. My email is essentially a curated spam folder. I seldom use it for anything of value. When I do use it, I could care less if the information was made public. I use it for online storage,but again for nothing important. If I lost it all tomorrow my only care would be an outstanding, meaning not yet turned on, assignment for my ML class. Everything else I accept in trade: my data for their service. I use Google Maps. I accept that when I’m driving they will track me. I hope they do. I want to know if I should get off the interstate due to a traffic issue. I don’t watch TV. I have Ad Guard filtering at the network router level. I block Facebook and Twitter there too. I don’t use porn. All Google knows is that I’m a particularly boring human being that probably purchased a dobro given my uptick in how to play the dobro videos. They probably also infer I have mild body dismorphia given some Sapien Medicine videos/sounds I listen too regularly. All this I, a consenting adult, allow them to know in trade for their service. If you don’t like them, there are free means to thwart them. Google will provide you the means to figure this out with their search. As a result, no I don’t care for this kind of worthless handwringing. Go after the leaks at the credit agency. I have no choice but to participate with them. No banner would allow me to opt out. Don’t go after some social media company that we all know is going to sell your data that you traded to get their service. We scientifically know that social media is bad for us all. Why regulate straws when that pandora’ Box of depression is allowed to continue? Grow up. Be an adult. Take responsibility for your choices and entitlement.
  - Bjartr 8y ago
icebraining 8y ago
You may disagree with their decision, but there's nothing surprising about it; it's pretty clearly a business model that the EU disapproves of, as the Microsoft case had shown, before Android was even a thing. Applying the same penalty for the same action is being trustworthy (which is not the same as "fair" or whatever you think of the decision).

icebraining 8y ago

If an EU citizen steps foot in the sovereign territory of another country, the EU says that all their privacy laws apply. That's not true. The GDPR doesn't apply to citizens of the EU, but to people in the EU or services performed there.

sbr464 8y ago
If I read correctly, GDPR does apply when non-EU companies market services specifically to people from the EU. For example a US based hotel deploying a targeted marketing campaign in the EU. I could be wrong.
- icebraining 8y ago
  Yes, you're right; the distinction I was making is that it's about their presence in the EU, not their citizenship. In fact, an American citizen living in the EU is also covered, whereas an EU citizen living in the US is not. An in fact, it's even less than that: the site only has to care if they target people in the EU (not necessarily exclusively) or if they're tracking behaviours. Simply being accessible online doesn't mean it has to comply, whereas e.g. accepting Euro payments probably does.
  - sbr464 8y ago
    That's interesting, didn't know that about foreign citizen coverage.

dasil003 8y ago

I find it shocking how quick some people are to denounce government intervention these days. Are you seriously not concerned about Google’s market clout and the amount of data they have? Thank god the EU is there to temper their entitlement a bit. Meanwhile you’re sitting here daydreaming about how your startup is going to be so big EU regulators are going to come after you. Well that would be an excellent problem to have, in actuality you are far more likely to be killed by Google sucking the oxygen out of your market.

virmundi 8y ago
I don’t care about Google’s clout. I use them for less and less and where I use them I don’t care. I use them for email. My email is essentially a curated spam folder. I seldom use it for anything of value. When I do use it, I could care less if the information was made public. I use it for online storage,but again for nothing important. If I lost it all tomorrow my only care would be an outstanding, meaning not yet turned on, assignment for my ML class. Everything else I accept in trade: my data for their service. I use Google Maps. I accept that when I’m driving they will track me. I hope they do. I want to know if I should get off the interstate due to a traffic issue. I don’t watch TV. I have Ad Guard filtering at the network router level. I block Facebook and Twitter there too. I don’t use porn. All Google knows is that I’m a particularly boring human being that probably purchased a dobro given my uptick in how to play the dobro videos. They probably also infer I have mild body dismorphia given some Sapien Medicine videos/sounds I listen too regularly. All this I, a consenting adult, allow them to know in trade for their service. If you don’t like them, there are free means to thwart them. Google will provide you the means to figure this out with their search. As a result, no I don’t care for this kind of worthless handwringing. Go after the leaks at the credit agency. I have no choice but to participate with them. No banner would allow me to opt out. Don’t go after some social media company that we all know is going to sell your data that you traded to get their service. We scientifically know that social media is bad for us all. Why regulate straws when that pandora’ Box of depression is allowed to continue? Grow up. Be an adult. Take responsibility for your choices and entitlement.
- Bjartr 8y ago

icebraining 8y ago

You may disagree with their decision, but there's nothing surprising about it; it's pretty clearly a business model that the EU disapproves of, as the Microsoft case had shown, before Android was even a thing. Applying the same penalty for the same action is being trustworthy (which is not the same as "fair" or whatever you think of the decision).