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Any known list about migration of tech jobs from London, what EU cities will now be more interesting for software engineers? Im still in Dublin, but on lookout

by hudo 8y ago

Any known list about migration of tech jobs from London, what EU cities will now be more interesting for software engineers? Im still in Dublin, but on lookout for some other city/country because of crazy prices in Ireland (rents going up much faster than salaries), and stability (not sure how will Ireland handle Brexit since it depends on UK for lot of import/exports).

smackay 8y ago
This is just anec-data but from a friend who has spent a lot of time in London this year. It appears that the EU nationals are leaving in droves. As a result many IT departments are becoming seriously understaffed. So there may be a boom in jobs for UK nationals or the companies may be forced to go where the employees are and move to an EU country instead.
- rezeroed 8y ago
  Here's anec-data from someone who lives in London, I know EU nationals who have always complained about the UK, and even they are not leaving.
- alecco 8y ago
  > It appears that the EU nationals are leaving in droves EU nationals in low-skilled jobs left in droves. UK is very lenient to give visas to skilled immigrants of any country in the world.
  - m_t 8y ago
    Doesn't mean that someone who was living somewhere will suddenly fancy having a visa attached to their head.
  - guitarbill 8y ago
    > UK is very lenient to give visas to skilled immigrants of any country in the world. That doesn't seem quite right. Getting a visa isn't harder than Australia or the US, but they don't just hand them out willy nilly. I know a few Americans in the UK who find it very hard to even change jobs. Again, that's always a risk until you get permanent residence, but it's hardly lenient.
s_dev 8y ago
Brexit will be good for the Irish tech/finance scene but disastrous for agriculture and tourism.
- nmeofthestate 8y ago
  Why tourism? Ireland will stay part of the CTA, so no change to accessibility from the UK, and of course it will still be equally accessible to the rest of the world. Unless this is about GBP dropping in value making it more expensive for potential UK tourists.
  - s_dev 8y ago
    I predict a hard border in Ireland, drop in value of pound and an effective end to the CTA. Ireland is going to ultimately have to adopt Schengen which means an end to CTA if the UK leaves the EU fully. We currently don't have to join Schengen because of an opt-out the UK got in one of the treaties.
    - pjc50 8y ago
      Hard border in Ireland leads to border poll and reunification of Ireland within a decade.
    - nmeofthestate 8y ago
      "Ireland is going to ultimately have to adopt Schengen" - I don't see this happening, although with the debacle of how brexit is being handled by the UK government, who really knows. To a certain extent geography dictates policy, and Ireland being in Schengen is a bit silly given the lack of land borders with Schengenland.
      - bkor 8y ago
        > To a certain extent geography dictates policy, and Ireland being in Schengen is a bit silly given the lack of land borders with Schengenland. Counterexample: Iceland is part of Schengen. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area#Current_members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area#Current_members.

by hudo 8y ago

smackay 8y ago

This is just anec-data but from a friend who has spent a lot of time in London this year. It appears that the EU nationals are leaving in droves. As a result many IT departments are becoming seriously understaffed. So there may be a boom in jobs for UK nationals or the companies may be forced to go where the employees are and move to an EU country instead.

rezeroed 8y ago
Here's anec-data from someone who lives in London, I know EU nationals who have always complained about the UK, and even they are not leaving.
alecco 8y ago
> It appears that the EU nationals are leaving in droves EU nationals in low-skilled jobs left in droves. UK is very lenient to give visas to skilled immigrants of any country in the world.
- m_t 8y ago
  Doesn't mean that someone who was living somewhere will suddenly fancy having a visa attached to their head.
- guitarbill 8y ago
  > UK is very lenient to give visas to skilled immigrants of any country in the world. That doesn't seem quite right. Getting a visa isn't harder than Australia or the US, but they don't just hand them out willy nilly. I know a few Americans in the UK who find it very hard to even change jobs. Again, that's always a risk until you get permanent residence, but it's hardly lenient.

s_dev 8y ago

Brexit will be good for the Irish tech/finance scene but disastrous for agriculture and tourism.

nmeofthestate 8y ago
Why tourism? Ireland will stay part of the CTA, so no change to accessibility from the UK, and of course it will still be equally accessible to the rest of the world. Unless this is about GBP dropping in value making it more expensive for potential UK tourists.
- s_dev 8y ago
  I predict a hard border in Ireland, drop in value of pound and an effective end to the CTA. Ireland is going to ultimately have to adopt Schengen which means an end to CTA if the UK leaves the EU fully. We currently don't have to join Schengen because of an opt-out the UK got in one of the treaties.
  - pjc50 8y ago
    Hard border in Ireland leads to border poll and reunification of Ireland within a decade.
  - nmeofthestate 8y ago
    "Ireland is going to ultimately have to adopt Schengen" - I don't see this happening, although with the debacle of how brexit is being handled by the UK government, who really knows. To a certain extent geography dictates policy, and Ireland being in Schengen is a bit silly given the lack of land borders with Schengenland.
    - bkor 8y ago
      > To a certain extent geography dictates policy, and Ireland being in Schengen is a bit silly given the lack of land borders with Schengenland. Counterexample: Iceland is part of Schengen. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area#Current_members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area#Current_members.