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> High meat cultures never produced the longest living people. This is a lie. Spain has the fourth longest living country in the world according to the WHO, a

> High meat cultures never produced the longest living people. This is a lie. Spain has the fourth longest living country in the world according to the WHO, and ranks 11th in the world in meat consumption at 97 kg per person according to the FAO. Australia, tied at 4th with Spain in life expectancy, consumes a whooping 111 kg per person, 3rd in the world. Japan and Iceland, first and fifth in life expectancy, consume metric shittons of fish. How would you bend this crushing evidence to support the argument that "high meat cultures don't produce the longest living people"?

cies 8y ago
That, as you said, of the developed nations Japan is the first (they eat fish rather than meat). Also in Japan you can find the longest living people, Okinawa, and they barely eat meat (traditionally). A food culture is not defined by national borders: we have to look inside the countries to see what culture work for longevity. See the bluezones book. Then I must say that I said something wrong: "longest living" alone is not enough, we want to be healthy too. Being sick for the last 30 years of my life, kept on my feet by a medical system (as what happens a lot in developed nations), it not a good prospect for me.
- arcturus17 8y ago
  > they [Japan] eat fish rather than meat You were specifically arguing against eating tuna. So a plant AND fish based diet might be best after all? Regardless, Spain and Australia trail very closely to Japan, and they are huge meat eaters. > "longest living" alone is not enough, we want to be healthy too You seem to be subtly implying now that these long-living countries might have serious public health issues. Again incorrect - according to Bloomberg, Australia, Italy or Spain are in the top-10 healthiest countries in the world, which includes measures other than longevity. > Being sick for the last 30 years of my life Well, I am sorry you had to endure that, but I hope you understand that your health and that of the public might not be related at all.
  - cies 8y ago
    I argue against tuna for the mercury (not for the Omega 3; but I suggest to get that from algae extract). I argue against beef for fat/ cholesterol/ animal protein (not for the iron, but get that from e.g. pommegranades) > according to Bloomberg I prefer the method of the BlueZones book (until I can read teh details of the Bloomberg study methods) > Well, I am sorry you had to endure that I expect not to endure that. As I do not consume the high-processed, high animal product diet so common in the west. Evidence based nutrition :) That's my game. Meat causes colon cancer. The ideal consumed cholesterol amount is zero (yes a lot of short term studies like to show otherwise).

cies 8y ago

That, as you said, of the developed nations Japan is the first (they eat fish rather than meat). Also in Japan you can find the longest living people, Okinawa, and they barely eat meat (traditionally). A food culture is not defined by national borders: we have to look inside the countries to see what culture work for longevity. See the bluezones book. Then I must say that I said something wrong: "longest living" alone is not enough, we want to be healthy too. Being sick for the last 30 years of my life, kept on my feet by a medical system (as what happens a lot in developed nations), it not a good prospect for me.

arcturus17 8y ago
> they [Japan] eat fish rather than meat You were specifically arguing against eating tuna. So a plant AND fish based diet might be best after all? Regardless, Spain and Australia trail very closely to Japan, and they are huge meat eaters. > "longest living" alone is not enough, we want to be healthy too You seem to be subtly implying now that these long-living countries might have serious public health issues. Again incorrect - according to Bloomberg, Australia, Italy or Spain are in the top-10 healthiest countries in the world, which includes measures other than longevity. > Being sick for the last 30 years of my life Well, I am sorry you had to endure that, but I hope you understand that your health and that of the public might not be related at all.
- cies 8y ago
  I argue against tuna for the mercury (not for the Omega 3; but I suggest to get that from algae extract). I argue against beef for fat/ cholesterol/ animal protein (not for the iron, but get that from e.g. pommegranades) > according to Bloomberg I prefer the method of the BlueZones book (until I can read teh details of the Bloomberg study methods) > Well, I am sorry you had to endure that I expect not to endure that. As I do not consume the high-processed, high animal product diet so common in the west. Evidence based nutrition :) That's my game. Meat causes colon cancer. The ideal consumed cholesterol amount is zero (yes a lot of short term studies like to show otherwise).