> I don't mean to "dehumanize" by observing that we are animals, because we really are animals and we really are subject to the same scientific laws as every ot

> I don't mean to "dehumanize" by observing that we are animals, because we really are animals and we really are subject to the same scientific laws as every other animal, including the ecological ones. Where do decisions and responsibility come in? Is there anything but "war and conquest" that takes many forms? I mean, we evolved from sharing and cooperation as much as any competition. And sociopathy is also as old as history. What makes one thing that's very old more scientific than another that's also very old, why this narrow focus? As for war being sustainable, that's like saying "I always ate junk food and always will, so nothing bad can happen". Nothing is sustainable, not even peace, but that's not the point. Slavery is also sustainable, does that make it right? Anyone who would say so is free to offer themselves as slave to others, but they could not justify excusing the slavery someone else endures with that. Just looking at wars of aggressions and the people who push(ed) for them, it's pretty obvious to me that the people involved don't seek power and money because they're so strong, but because they're so weak, as the actual invidual human beings they are. They need more power because to stand still might mean to lose power, and that would mean looking into the mirror and at others, and that would make them implode. I see naked emperors. Maybe there would still be war or whatever without them, but I see them, and I see what they do. So saying that it's all just human/animal nature that is "subject" to scientific laws that somehow make all of this inevitable, cherry picking "written history" which itself is cherry picked by definition, kinda sounds like "oh yeah, it's a common occurence that sometimes air perturbations make the emperor seem naked to some". They would say that. Maybe you're right, but I won't believe you until we removed the naked emperors from the equation. Fair enough?