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Well, everyone is a number somewhere on a spreadsheet. Call me cynical, but I have long given up on the notion of company loyalty etc. Looking back at my bright

Well, everyone is a number somewhere on a spreadsheet. Call me cynical, but I have long given up on the notion of company loyalty etc. Looking back at my bright-eyed idealism coming out of college, makes me laugh.

BLKNSLVR 8y ago
"bright-eyed idealism coming out of college" Where does that come from though? Is that still the case for the current generation of college graduates? Do the kids need to be educated closer to reality? The notion of company loyalty is good for a productive workforce - UNTIL the illusion is shattered, which can take parts of the rest of an individuals positive world-view with it.
- geezerjay 8y ago
  > The notion of company loyalty is good for a productive workforce - UNTIL the illusion is shattered It should also be noted that this illusion is not specific to any economic system. The soviet union also saw its share of jaded idealists who were gullible to the point of believing that all those promises of owning the means of production had any credibility. At least in capitalist economies workers are educated with regards to liberal ideas. Thus they are informed that a work relation is just like any business relation, and therefore they are compelled to look after their own best interests without falling for the "company loyalty" emotional trap. Your employer owes you the salary and you should expect nothing more in return, and consequently you as a worker are compelled to always look after more favourable arrangements just like your employer is perpetually doing wrt your job.
  - BLKNSLVR 8y ago
    The comment to which you're replying wasn't intended as a jibe at capitalism, just pure observation of unrealistic expectations of a college / university graduate in an ignorance-is-bliss kind of naivete. Faith in the reciprocation of loyalty with thine employer can be just as misplaced as with your government, whatever shape of ideology it follows (any system is corruptible; gosh-darn humans).
    - umichguy 8y ago
      Well, when I was in college, I did a few internships and stuff, probably drank some of the kool-aid dished out at the time and genuinely swallowed some of the "we care for you, and really want you to excel here and make a difference in the world" type of stuff. I really did care for the companies I initially worked at and believed in the work I did. A few years down the line and a few job changes later, I've come to the realization that broadly they are similar in what they do, the way they treat people. It's just different shades of politics, infighting, employee indifference, and perks and benefits. I don't expect anyone from corporate to have my back no matter how good the work is and how much effort I put in. Maybe it's just my jaded inner self-talking. Christ, I am not that old, only just mid-30s and the way I am writing makes me sound like a grizzly 60 yr old! Now, get off my keyboard!

BLKNSLVR 8y ago

"bright-eyed idealism coming out of college" Where does that come from though? Is that still the case for the current generation of college graduates? Do the kids need to be educated closer to reality? The notion of company loyalty is good for a productive workforce - UNTIL the illusion is shattered, which can take parts of the rest of an individuals positive world-view with it.

geezerjay 8y ago
> The notion of company loyalty is good for a productive workforce - UNTIL the illusion is shattered It should also be noted that this illusion is not specific to any economic system. The soviet union also saw its share of jaded idealists who were gullible to the point of believing that all those promises of owning the means of production had any credibility. At least in capitalist economies workers are educated with regards to liberal ideas. Thus they are informed that a work relation is just like any business relation, and therefore they are compelled to look after their own best interests without falling for the "company loyalty" emotional trap. Your employer owes you the salary and you should expect nothing more in return, and consequently you as a worker are compelled to always look after more favourable arrangements just like your employer is perpetually doing wrt your job.
- BLKNSLVR 8y ago
  The comment to which you're replying wasn't intended as a jibe at capitalism, just pure observation of unrealistic expectations of a college / university graduate in an ignorance-is-bliss kind of naivete. Faith in the reciprocation of loyalty with thine employer can be just as misplaced as with your government, whatever shape of ideology it follows (any system is corruptible; gosh-darn humans).
  - umichguy 8y ago
    Well, when I was in college, I did a few internships and stuff, probably drank some of the kool-aid dished out at the time and genuinely swallowed some of the "we care for you, and really want you to excel here and make a difference in the world" type of stuff. I really did care for the companies I initially worked at and believed in the work I did. A few years down the line and a few job changes later, I've come to the realization that broadly they are similar in what they do, the way they treat people. It's just different shades of politics, infighting, employee indifference, and perks and benefits. I don't expect anyone from corporate to have my back no matter how good the work is and how much effort I put in. Maybe it's just my jaded inner self-talking. Christ, I am not that old, only just mid-30s and the way I am writing makes me sound like a grizzly 60 yr old! Now, get off my keyboard!