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I virtually never see comments about "Jewish misinformation campaigns" or "jewish desire to destabilize America", and I've never browsed Quillette. Is there a

I virtually never see comments about "Jewish misinformation campaigns" or "jewish desire to destabilize America", and I've never browsed Quillette. Is there a reason people are talking about those things on Quillette?

philwelch 8y ago
Posting any content that's outside of the mainstream is a magnet to the fringe, unfortunately. So are internet comment sections. If you've seriously never seen anti-Semitic nonsense on the internet before, I'm going to assume you either never read the comments or are in a left-wing internet bubble (and, even then, you'll still likely run into a different style of anti-Semitic nonsense.)
- darpa_escapee 8y ago
  I don't know, I clicked the Quillette link[1] in this HN comment[2] and there's over a dozen anti-semitic comments. A couple of commenters even went out of their way to write coherently-worded, but disgusting, multi-paragraph anti-semitic rants. I've seen comments like that on Stormfront or, recently, the comments section on Fox News articles. However the dozens of social media groups, mailing lists and forums I'm a member of don't seem to have a problem with anti-semitic conspiracy theories littering their pages. Most of them are academic, tech or humor related and are far from a 'left wing internet bubble' you want to pigeonhole me as being stuck in. What is it about Quillette that attracts such anti-semitic commenters? Is it just something about the article? [1] "A Closer Look at Anti-White Rhetoric" https://quillette.com/2018/08/17/a-closer-look-at-anti-white-rhetoric/ https://quillette.com/2018/08/17/a-closer-look-at-anti-white... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18429602 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18429602
  - philwelch 8y ago
    Maybe you posted it to concern troll us. I don’t read comments; I don’t have much of a read on why some places have certain comment themes.
- kaitai 8y ago
  The question is which fringe it attracts. I guess the central point -- the defense of Quillette, in fact -- may be that since it publishes articles that are more nuanced than the norm in looking at questions like why women "don't code", why black people aren't as rich as white people in the US, etc., it opens up a space for discussion about how Jewish people are destabilizing American and how Keith Ellison and Maxine Waters are part of the new antifa brownshirt army or whatever. (Keith, I thought you were just a popular politician with a dumpster fire of a personal life!) And by allowing a place for that discussion to actually happen, with other right-y types pushing back that "hey, that's anti-semitic and factually incorrect! you can be anti-left without being anti-semitic!" then Quillette is actually fulfilling its goal of being a place that welcomes hard-hitting heterodox discussion. In theory, some good is done by having this discussion in broad daylight instead of on Gab, which might just be an echo chamber. In fact, when I see folks like that coming into a party on a Friday night, I head out -- because as one of these people who is getting uppity and above my station in life by doing things I'm not genetically supposed to be inclined to do, I've developed a little bit of sense about who to avoid if I don't want to get beat up, literally or metaphorically.
  - philwelch 8y ago
    Speaking as someone whose inclinations are, if anything, philosemitic, I find this entire line of criticism disingenuous and hypocritical. Comment forums are trash and if I were Claire Lehmann I wouldn’t have them on my site in the first place, but when it comes to the content Quillette curates and publishes, the overwhelming tendency is in service of exposing and condemning anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories: * https://quillette.com/2018/11/09/an-israeli-agent-on-campus/ https://quillette.com/2018/11/09/an-israeli-agent-on-campus/ * https://quillette.com/2018/10/28/fight-the-scourge-of-antisemitism-but-take-hope-from-pittsburghs-righteous-gentiles/ https://quillette.com/2018/10/28/fight-the-scourge-of-antise... * https://quillette.com/2018/03/15/alt-right-gets-wrong-jews/ https://quillette.com/2018/03/15/alt-right-gets-wrong-jews/ * https://quillette.com/2016/04/28/labour-in-meltdown-but-what-is-anti-semitism/ https://quillette.com/2016/04/28/labour-in-meltdown-but-what... * https://quillette.com/2018/04/03/labour-power-games-threaten-150-years-british-jewish-identity-d/ https://quillette.com/2018/04/03/labour-power-games-threaten... * https://quillette.com/2018/05/13/libel-jordan-peterson-forward-story-journalistic-failure/ https://quillette.com/2018/05/13/libel-jordan-peterson-forwa... It’s disingenuous to tar one side for their comment threads while making excuses for political leaders on the left who condone and even court anti-Semitism, such as Jeremy Corbyn, Jesse Jackson, and Bill Clinton.
- DanBC 8y ago
  There's anti-Semitism on HN. But there's anti-Semitism all over the quillette comment section.

philwelch 8y ago

Posting any content that's outside of the mainstream is a magnet to the fringe, unfortunately. So are internet comment sections. If you've seriously never seen anti-Semitic nonsense on the internet before, I'm going to assume you either never read the comments or are in a left-wing internet bubble (and, even then, you'll still likely run into a different style of anti-Semitic nonsense.)

darpa_escapee 8y ago
I don't know, I clicked the Quillette link[1] in this HN comment[2] and there's over a dozen anti-semitic comments. A couple of commenters even went out of their way to write coherently-worded, but disgusting, multi-paragraph anti-semitic rants. I've seen comments like that on Stormfront or, recently, the comments section on Fox News articles. However the dozens of social media groups, mailing lists and forums I'm a member of don't seem to have a problem with anti-semitic conspiracy theories littering their pages. Most of them are academic, tech or humor related and are far from a 'left wing internet bubble' you want to pigeonhole me as being stuck in. What is it about Quillette that attracts such anti-semitic commenters? Is it just something about the article? [1] "A Closer Look at Anti-White Rhetoric" https://quillette.com/2018/08/17/a-closer-look-at-anti-white-rhetoric/ https://quillette.com/2018/08/17/a-closer-look-at-anti-white... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18429602 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18429602
- philwelch 8y ago
  Maybe you posted it to concern troll us. I don’t read comments; I don’t have much of a read on why some places have certain comment themes.
kaitai 8y ago
The question is which fringe it attracts. I guess the central point -- the defense of Quillette, in fact -- may be that since it publishes articles that are more nuanced than the norm in looking at questions like why women "don't code", why black people aren't as rich as white people in the US, etc., it opens up a space for discussion about how Jewish people are destabilizing American and how Keith Ellison and Maxine Waters are part of the new antifa brownshirt army or whatever. (Keith, I thought you were just a popular politician with a dumpster fire of a personal life!) And by allowing a place for that discussion to actually happen, with other right-y types pushing back that "hey, that's anti-semitic and factually incorrect! you can be anti-left without being anti-semitic!" then Quillette is actually fulfilling its goal of being a place that welcomes hard-hitting heterodox discussion. In theory, some good is done by having this discussion in broad daylight instead of on Gab, which might just be an echo chamber. In fact, when I see folks like that coming into a party on a Friday night, I head out -- because as one of these people who is getting uppity and above my station in life by doing things I'm not genetically supposed to be inclined to do, I've developed a little bit of sense about who to avoid if I don't want to get beat up, literally or metaphorically.
- philwelch 8y ago
  Speaking as someone whose inclinations are, if anything, philosemitic, I find this entire line of criticism disingenuous and hypocritical. Comment forums are trash and if I were Claire Lehmann I wouldn’t have them on my site in the first place, but when it comes to the content Quillette curates and publishes, the overwhelming tendency is in service of exposing and condemning anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories: * https://quillette.com/2018/11/09/an-israeli-agent-on-campus/ https://quillette.com/2018/11/09/an-israeli-agent-on-campus/ * https://quillette.com/2018/10/28/fight-the-scourge-of-antisemitism-but-take-hope-from-pittsburghs-righteous-gentiles/ https://quillette.com/2018/10/28/fight-the-scourge-of-antise... * https://quillette.com/2018/03/15/alt-right-gets-wrong-jews/ https://quillette.com/2018/03/15/alt-right-gets-wrong-jews/ * https://quillette.com/2016/04/28/labour-in-meltdown-but-what-is-anti-semitism/ https://quillette.com/2016/04/28/labour-in-meltdown-but-what... * https://quillette.com/2018/04/03/labour-power-games-threaten-150-years-british-jewish-identity-d/ https://quillette.com/2018/04/03/labour-power-games-threaten... * https://quillette.com/2018/05/13/libel-jordan-peterson-forward-story-journalistic-failure/ https://quillette.com/2018/05/13/libel-jordan-peterson-forwa... It’s disingenuous to tar one side for their comment threads while making excuses for political leaders on the left who condone and even court anti-Semitism, such as Jeremy Corbyn, Jesse Jackson, and Bill Clinton.
DanBC 8y ago
There's anti-Semitism on HN. But there's anti-Semitism all over the quillette comment section.