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Seems like a better phrase is 'I find this hard to believe. Do you have a source?' I certainly doubted the 'most' part of that statement but after looking into

Seems like a better phrase is 'I find this hard to believe. Do you have a source?' I certainly doubted the 'most' part of that statement but after looking into it, it really does seem like there is a problem with steroids and the police. Potentially still not 'most' police but certainly enough that it's an issue.

squarefoot 8y ago
Most was surely an exaggeration on my part, however some well known brutal beatings by cops in my country ending with the death of the arrested had the family of the victim being ridiculed and verbally attacked by police associations. Eventually in the most famous case to date it took one of the involved officers to talk after 9 years to expose what everyone was certain of: a coverup. There has been zero cooperation from above. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/world/europe/ilaria-cucchi-brother-italy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/world/europe/ilaria-cucch... http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2018/10/26/superior-sent-changed-cucchi-report-carabinieri_7c3095b8-6606-4d3d-bd03-e74953e34e43.html http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2018/10/26/superior-sent-cha... What made me even more angry then however was the fake camaraderie LEOs associations showed when protecting their colleagues; that's not camaraderie, that's collusion plain and simple, which is probably even worse than having the brain f'ed up by hormones. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/30/italian-police-applauded-conviction-manslaughter-ferrara https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/30/italian-police...
- BurningFrog 8y ago
  That's standard police force badness. No need to invent anabolic steroids as a cause.It's not like these things didn't exist before steroids were available.
  - squarefoot 8y ago
    Cops abuse of steroids isn't an invention at all. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/derek-james-from/edmonton-police-steroids_b_6838780.html https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/derek-james-from/edmonton-poli... https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tp24.it%2F2018%2F09%2F02%2Fcronaca%2Fmarsala-poliziotto-denunciato-moglie-maltrattamenti-famiglia-stalking%2F124147&edit-text= https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr... https://nypost.com/2018/02/22/nypd-cops-in-hot-water-for-variety-of-alleged-violations/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/22/nypd-cops-in-hot-water-for-var... https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19520798/scandals-cops-and-steroids/ https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19520798/scandals-cops-an... And at least one book has been written on the topic. https://psmag.com/magazine/the-hidden-world-of-police-on-steroids https://psmag.com/magazine/the-hidden-world-of-police-on-ste...
nothrabannosir 8y ago
A better phrase is “I Googled and found these sources, for anyone interested: …” Because 9 out of 10, a question can be answered with a quick search. You want more info? That’s fine. You do the work. This is not a courtroom.
- hnmonkey 8y ago
  You seem very pleasant. While I guess asking other people questions on here is beneath you, I (and seemingly tons of other people) like to ask other people information when they say they know information and have a conversation. Did anyone anywhere ever claim HN is a courtroom? Even so... I'm pretty sure questions are allowed in a courtroom.
  - nothrabannosir 8y ago
    It's more about the accusatory nature of it. It implies "I don't believe you", which is not really a question. It's rude, and stymies a conversation. You're making the other do work to get back to the same point in the conversation they were at, before you said anything. I, as a reader, just saw a pissing match, but didn't learn much new. Moreover, it's intellectually lazy: I could ask for sources after anything anyone says, ever. How does that advance any situation? Can you imagine the tone of those conversations? Naturally, sometimes it's genuine curiosity. You can usually tell from the way it's phrased. "This isn't true. Do you have a source?" is not it. But even in that case, I genuinely suggest people to take all of three seconds to type the keywords into Google. It's about as quick as typing that reply, and it frees up the comment section like a quick vick's vapo rub. The original poster already went through the trouble of sharing the comment, and, presumably, their experience with it. The least you can do is help.

squarefoot 8y ago

Most was surely an exaggeration on my part, however some well known brutal beatings by cops in my country ending with the death of the arrested had the family of the victim being ridiculed and verbally attacked by police associations. Eventually in the most famous case to date it took one of the involved officers to talk after 9 years to expose what everyone was certain of: a coverup. There has been zero cooperation from above. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/world/europe/ilaria-cucchi-brother-italy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/world/europe/ilaria-cucch... http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2018/10/26/superior-sent-changed-cucchi-report-carabinieri_7c3095b8-6606-4d3d-bd03-e74953e34e43.html http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2018/10/26/superior-sent-cha... What made me even more angry then however was the fake camaraderie LEOs associations showed when protecting their colleagues; that's not camaraderie, that's collusion plain and simple, which is probably even worse than having the brain f'ed up by hormones. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/30/italian-police-applauded-conviction-manslaughter-ferrara https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/30/italian-police...

BurningFrog 8y ago
That's standard police force badness. No need to invent anabolic steroids as a cause.It's not like these things didn't exist before steroids were available.
- squarefoot 8y ago
  Cops abuse of steroids isn't an invention at all. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/derek-james-from/edmonton-police-steroids_b_6838780.html https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/derek-james-from/edmonton-poli... https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tp24.it%2F2018%2F09%2F02%2Fcronaca%2Fmarsala-poliziotto-denunciato-moglie-maltrattamenti-famiglia-stalking%2F124147&edit-text= https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr... https://nypost.com/2018/02/22/nypd-cops-in-hot-water-for-variety-of-alleged-violations/ https://nypost.com/2018/02/22/nypd-cops-in-hot-water-for-var... https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19520798/scandals-cops-and-steroids/ https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19520798/scandals-cops-an... And at least one book has been written on the topic. https://psmag.com/magazine/the-hidden-world-of-police-on-steroids https://psmag.com/magazine/the-hidden-world-of-police-on-ste...

nothrabannosir 8y ago

A better phrase is “I Googled and found these sources, for anyone interested: …” Because 9 out of 10, a question can be answered with a quick search. You want more info? That’s fine. You do the work. This is not a courtroom.

hnmonkey 8y ago
You seem very pleasant. While I guess asking other people questions on here is beneath you, I (and seemingly tons of other people) like to ask other people information when they say they know information and have a conversation. Did anyone anywhere ever claim HN is a courtroom? Even so... I'm pretty sure questions are allowed in a courtroom.
- nothrabannosir 8y ago
  It's more about the accusatory nature of it. It implies "I don't believe you", which is not really a question. It's rude, and stymies a conversation. You're making the other do work to get back to the same point in the conversation they were at, before you said anything. I, as a reader, just saw a pissing match, but didn't learn much new. Moreover, it's intellectually lazy: I could ask for sources after anything anyone says, ever. How does that advance any situation? Can you imagine the tone of those conversations? Naturally, sometimes it's genuine curiosity. You can usually tell from the way it's phrased. "This isn't true. Do you have a source?" is not it. But even in that case, I genuinely suggest people to take all of three seconds to type the keywords into Google. It's about as quick as typing that reply, and it frees up the comment section like a quick vick's vapo rub. The original poster already went through the trouble of sharing the comment, and, presumably, their experience with it. The least you can do is help.