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Employers should be able to fire employees for their political beliefs no matter what they are. It's not remotely on the same level as race or gender or anythin

Employers should be able to fire employees for their political beliefs no matter what they are. It's not remotely on the same level as race or gender or anything of the like; political beliefs are chosen and based on ideology. Laws against these firings are a government overstep.

cronix 8y ago
> It's not remotely on the same level as race or gender or anything of the like > political beliefs are chosen and based on ideology Aren't religious beliefs pretty darn similar to political ones, based on that?
- wnoise 8y ago
  Yes, they are, which is as much as argument that religious beliefs are too protected as it is an argument that political beliefs are not protected enough.
d0gsg0w00f 8y ago
Who within the company makes that decision? What if a conservative white manager fires a liberal black employee citing that they were making other employees uncomfortable with their political diatribes?
- Kaveren 8y ago
  That would be the employer's decision. If you are fired for these sorts of reasons, you should be more than welcome to tell your story to people. Perhaps it will hurt the company's business.
- danso 8y ago
  Er...then the employee is fired, if the employer is in a state that has no protections for political speech at work. I don’t understand this question. Is it your belief that white managers never fire black employees?
TeMPOraL 8y ago
Absolutely not. The threat of losing a job is one of the most powerful coercion mechanism in modern western society. For vast majority of people, it's not far from threatening a person and their family with bodily harm. If you allow for that, then people won't really be free to choose their political beliefs. (Firings for politicking at work instead of actually working are another thing, though.) > political beliefs are chosen and based on ideology. By both sides. Why should it be allowed to fire people based on ideology?
- Kaveren 8y ago
  It's pretty far from threatening a person and their family with bodily harm. You are not entitled to be employed by any particular employer. If someone is stuck in a single job and unable to get employed anywhere else, that's an entirely separate societal problem. > "By both sides." I said as much in my original post. > "Why should it be allowed to fire people based on ideology?" Because the relationship between employer-employee should always be voluntary and never compelled. If it's known that I want to expel all white (or black, fill in the blank) people from the country, and this is an incompatible view with the company, they should not be forced to continue the relationship. If I want to abolish the Constitution and force everyone to worship me by law, the employer should not be forced to continue this relationship. These are merely examples. In reality if you're firing people for all but the most extreme political beliefs, you'll likely damage your business either directly or indirectly through public perception.
kopo 8y ago
Well this is Facebook. How much political content moves through their platform everyday? Your comment makes sense if it is McDonalds or Nike or Wallmart. Their CEO's aren't being asked everyday by every govt on the planet what they are doing about disagreeable info.
ruskerdax 8y ago
Employers who aren't ruled over like slaves should be able to fire or hire employees for any reason, including race, gender, or political belief. Of course, it may benefit the public to know if an employer is hiring or firing based on bigotry, which is a much better "solution" than the resulting unintended consequences of government regulating this kind of discrimination.

cronix 8y ago

> It's not remotely on the same level as race or gender or anything of the like > political beliefs are chosen and based on ideology Aren't religious beliefs pretty darn similar to political ones, based on that?

wnoise 8y ago
Yes, they are, which is as much as argument that religious beliefs are too protected as it is an argument that political beliefs are not protected enough.

d0gsg0w00f 8y ago

Who within the company makes that decision? What if a conservative white manager fires a liberal black employee citing that they were making other employees uncomfortable with their political diatribes?

Kaveren 8y ago
That would be the employer's decision. If you are fired for these sorts of reasons, you should be more than welcome to tell your story to people. Perhaps it will hurt the company's business.
danso 8y ago
Er...then the employee is fired, if the employer is in a state that has no protections for political speech at work. I don’t understand this question. Is it your belief that white managers never fire black employees?

TeMPOraL 8y ago

Absolutely not. The threat of losing a job is one of the most powerful coercion mechanism in modern western society. For vast majority of people, it's not far from threatening a person and their family with bodily harm. If you allow for that, then people won't really be free to choose their political beliefs. (Firings for politicking at work instead of actually working are another thing, though.) > political beliefs are chosen and based on ideology. By both sides. Why should it be allowed to fire people based on ideology?

Kaveren 8y ago
It's pretty far from threatening a person and their family with bodily harm. You are not entitled to be employed by any particular employer. If someone is stuck in a single job and unable to get employed anywhere else, that's an entirely separate societal problem. > "By both sides." I said as much in my original post. > "Why should it be allowed to fire people based on ideology?" Because the relationship between employer-employee should always be voluntary and never compelled. If it's known that I want to expel all white (or black, fill in the blank) people from the country, and this is an incompatible view with the company, they should not be forced to continue the relationship. If I want to abolish the Constitution and force everyone to worship me by law, the employer should not be forced to continue this relationship. These are merely examples. In reality if you're firing people for all but the most extreme political beliefs, you'll likely damage your business either directly or indirectly through public perception.

kopo 8y ago

Well this is Facebook. How much political content moves through their platform everyday? Your comment makes sense if it is McDonalds or Nike or Wallmart. Their CEO's aren't being asked everyday by every govt on the planet what they are doing about disagreeable info.

ruskerdax 8y ago

Employers who aren't ruled over like slaves should be able to fire or hire employees for any reason, including race, gender, or political belief. Of course, it may benefit the public to know if an employer is hiring or firing based on bigotry, which is a much better "solution" than the resulting unintended consequences of government regulating this kind of discrimination.