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Soon we'll see the beginnings of the death cycle for ICE vehicles. Lower sales means fewer: Gas Stations Car Dealers Advertisements Repair Shops Which in t

Soon we'll see the beginnings of the death cycle for ICE vehicles. Lower sales means fewer: Gas Stations Car Dealers Advertisements Repair Shops Which in turn limits the appeal (or increase costs) of an ICE vehicle. Governments worldwide need to rush to figure out how to pay for roads when there is no gas tax revenue. We will need a system that tracks where and when cars are used, like the London congestion charge but on a much bigger scale.

varjag 8y ago
Many governments already collect road tax, that's hardly a problem.
bluedino 8y ago
>> Soon we'll see the beginnings of the death cycle for ICE vehicles. Lower sales means fewer: Don't forget about all the factories and employees making all those parts fo the gas engines.
jasonjayr 8y ago
Where & When? Eww. Why not just a base ownership tax + some trusted means of reporting mileage? We shoulden't share more than we need to calculate a fair use tax. update: s/authenticated/trusted/
- beerlord 8y ago
  Your location is already being tracked quite accurately by your smartphone. So that horse has already bolted. Vehicle tracking and charging not only allows for effective replacement of gas taxes (they can remain in place just to address the pollution angle for legacy vehicles) but also to tackle congestion - situations where a 10% reduction in vehicles would result in a 30% increase in speed, etc.
  - jasonjayr 8y ago
    I know this, and I'm not going to pretend that there isn't pretty liberal data sharing between intelligence + cellular companies, but I think it would be easier to regulate an interface between private companies + government, rather than regulate use of already retained data. For now, you can choose to not bring your cell phone on that trip to the seedy part of town, so we got that going for us.
magicalhippo 8y ago
> Gas Stations Even before the EV's came along most gas stations here had been turned into convenience stores which just happens to sell gas and a few car accessories as well. People still need to take a leak and grab something to eat and drink while traveling, so they'll be around.
btrettel 8y ago
> Governments worldwide need to rush to figure out how to pay for roads when there is no gas tax revenue. Gas taxes pay for a fraction of new roads and road maintenance in the US. A large part comes from general taxation. I think it should be more direct. This is an article about cycling, but it describes the problem: https://momentummag.com/free-rider-myth/ https://momentummag.com/free-rider-myth/ Here's another article that I haven't read but seems to have a breakdown for highways but not all roads: https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/05/debunking-the-myth-that-only-drivers-pay-for-roads/393134/ https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/05/debunking-the...

varjag 8y ago

Many governments already collect road tax, that's hardly a problem.

bluedino 8y ago

>> Soon we'll see the beginnings of the death cycle for ICE vehicles. Lower sales means fewer: Don't forget about all the factories and employees making all those parts fo the gas engines.

jasonjayr 8y ago

Where & When? Eww. Why not just a base ownership tax + some trusted means of reporting mileage? We shoulden't share more than we need to calculate a fair use tax. update: s/authenticated/trusted/

beerlord 8y ago
Your location is already being tracked quite accurately by your smartphone. So that horse has already bolted. Vehicle tracking and charging not only allows for effective replacement of gas taxes (they can remain in place just to address the pollution angle for legacy vehicles) but also to tackle congestion - situations where a 10% reduction in vehicles would result in a 30% increase in speed, etc.
- jasonjayr 8y ago
  I know this, and I'm not going to pretend that there isn't pretty liberal data sharing between intelligence + cellular companies, but I think it would be easier to regulate an interface between private companies + government, rather than regulate use of already retained data. For now, you can choose to not bring your cell phone on that trip to the seedy part of town, so we got that going for us.

magicalhippo 8y ago

> Gas Stations Even before the EV's came along most gas stations here had been turned into convenience stores which just happens to sell gas and a few car accessories as well. People still need to take a leak and grab something to eat and drink while traveling, so they'll be around.

btrettel 8y ago

> Governments worldwide need to rush to figure out how to pay for roads when there is no gas tax revenue. Gas taxes pay for a fraction of new roads and road maintenance in the US. A large part comes from general taxation. I think it should be more direct. This is an article about cycling, but it describes the problem: https://momentummag.com/free-rider-myth/ https://momentummag.com/free-rider-myth/ Here's another article that I haven't read but seems to have a breakdown for highways but not all roads: https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/05/debunking-the-myth-that-only-drivers-pay-for-roads/393134/ https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/05/debunking-the...