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This program needs to end. H1B a bandaid over our complete failure to provide a modern education and bring young people into STEM, while dually deflating middle

by zaru27 8y ago

This program needs to end. H1B a bandaid over our complete failure to provide a modern education and bring young people into STEM, while dually deflating middle class wages for the tech oligarchs across the industry for several decades. And, ironically, the Democrats, who should supposedly be protecting the middle class, have a blood pact with the SV elite.

spiderPig 8y ago
Oh please, you're just parroting Steve Bannon's pseduo-intellectual propaganda. Pull out this program and most of the Big-N companies would simply move these jobs overseas. I would go so far to say that lumping them with illegal immigration is doing a dis-service to them considering how much they contribute to the economy. Most of them have built core components of what you use today. Why wouldn't you want them contributing to society here and buying houses? That being said, sure, fraud happens and we need to come up with solutions to curtail that. Not knee-jerk reactions based on political biases.
- zaru27 8y ago
  First of all, the tech industry isn’t even part of Steve bannon’s platform- they’re only referring to unskilled labor from what I’ve seen - we’re not on their radar. Second, your casual brushing aside of an fair ideology conveys who the pseudo intellectual is. Third, we have been discussing wage collusion in the tech industry for the past decade- and we have direct evidence which you should research and educate yourself on. I have no beef with anybody who has immigrated here and it’s disgusting you would make that assumption. I think this country should adopt a more protectionist stance. People hiring en masse overseas are more often than not benefiting themselves to the detriment of society- unfortunately Washington is asleep at the wheel.
  - spiderPig 8y ago
    Tech industry is not part of Bannon's platform? https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/2/14472404/steve-bannon-legal-immigration-problem https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/2/14472404/st... The terms "tech oligarchs" have been part of his verbal repertoire throughout the campaign.
    - zaru27 8y ago
      That’s a very common term which he did not coin, so it’s ridiculous to ascribe that to him. Also- correct me if I’m wrong- when he uses it, it will be solely in regard to internet censorship & like activities, namely from Google/fb/Twitter, which has nothing to do with the wage discussion at hand.
- Kephael 8y ago
  "Big N" companies have very arbitrary interviewing processes with hiring rates of less than 1%. There are local workers that can fill their job vacancies but they continue to make the process more and more difficult due to the number of applicants and limited job openings.
readhn 8y ago
Somehow I question that you are 100% Native American (the only people who are really allowed to complain about this whole immigration “issue”). From the historic perspective- With very high probability you are just another immigrant who came here a bit earlier than the guy unboarding jfk flight this second. Study history. USA was/is built by immigrants. Good immigration policies attract talent that moves the planet forward. Where would USA be today if it wasn’t for many talented people who came to this country to pursue their dreams? Don’t blame issues caused by corruption and private interests in the upper echelons of power on others.
- lsd5you 8y ago
  So do native Europeans have a cause for complaint? Not sure about the absolutenesd and consistency of your moral reasoning.
  - knz42 8y ago
    1) “Native Europeans” are not a thing. The only population there before homo sapiens sapiens invaded Europe was homo sapiens neanderthalensis, and they are now extinct. 2) Europe is indeed, largely made of populations that have migrated through the ages.
    - Kephael 8y ago
      Following this logic, anyone who lives outside of the Olduvai Gorge is not native.
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- jhowell 8y ago
  I don't think your account of the country goes back far enough. My recollection was that the USA was built by slaves. The irony of this conversation is the assumption our country, represented by Government feels any differently now about the exploitation of labor today.

by zaru27 8y ago

spiderPig 8y ago

Oh please, you're just parroting Steve Bannon's pseduo-intellectual propaganda. Pull out this program and most of the Big-N companies would simply move these jobs overseas. I would go so far to say that lumping them with illegal immigration is doing a dis-service to them considering how much they contribute to the economy. Most of them have built core components of what you use today. Why wouldn't you want them contributing to society here and buying houses? That being said, sure, fraud happens and we need to come up with solutions to curtail that. Not knee-jerk reactions based on political biases.

zaru27 8y ago
First of all, the tech industry isn’t even part of Steve bannon’s platform- they’re only referring to unskilled labor from what I’ve seen - we’re not on their radar. Second, your casual brushing aside of an fair ideology conveys who the pseudo intellectual is. Third, we have been discussing wage collusion in the tech industry for the past decade- and we have direct evidence which you should research and educate yourself on. I have no beef with anybody who has immigrated here and it’s disgusting you would make that assumption. I think this country should adopt a more protectionist stance. People hiring en masse overseas are more often than not benefiting themselves to the detriment of society- unfortunately Washington is asleep at the wheel.
- spiderPig 8y ago
  Tech industry is not part of Bannon's platform? https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/2/14472404/steve-bannon-legal-immigration-problem https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/2/14472404/st... The terms "tech oligarchs" have been part of his verbal repertoire throughout the campaign.
  - zaru27 8y ago
    That’s a very common term which he did not coin, so it’s ridiculous to ascribe that to him. Also- correct me if I’m wrong- when he uses it, it will be solely in regard to internet censorship & like activities, namely from Google/fb/Twitter, which has nothing to do with the wage discussion at hand.
Kephael 8y ago
"Big N" companies have very arbitrary interviewing processes with hiring rates of less than 1%. There are local workers that can fill their job vacancies but they continue to make the process more and more difficult due to the number of applicants and limited job openings.

readhn 8y ago

Somehow I question that you are 100% Native American (the only people who are really allowed to complain about this whole immigration “issue”). From the historic perspective- With very high probability you are just another immigrant who came here a bit earlier than the guy unboarding jfk flight this second. Study history. USA was/is built by immigrants. Good immigration policies attract talent that moves the planet forward. Where would USA be today if it wasn’t for many talented people who came to this country to pursue their dreams? Don’t blame issues caused by corruption and private interests in the upper echelons of power on others.

lsd5you 8y ago
So do native Europeans have a cause for complaint? Not sure about the absolutenesd and consistency of your moral reasoning.
- knz42 8y ago
  1) “Native Europeans” are not a thing. The only population there before homo sapiens sapiens invaded Europe was homo sapiens neanderthalensis, and they are now extinct. 2) Europe is indeed, largely made of populations that have migrated through the ages.
  - Kephael 8y ago
    Following this logic, anyone who lives outside of the Olduvai Gorge is not native.
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jhowell 8y ago
I don't think your account of the country goes back far enough. My recollection was that the USA was built by slaves. The irony of this conversation is the assumption our country, represented by Government feels any differently now about the exploitation of labor today.