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I can see how being involved with a community can be a good thing, but not so sure that being involved with a church community is a good thing, as it perpetuate

by drKarl 8y ago

I can see how being involved with a community can be a good thing, but not so sure that being involved with a church community is a good thing, as it perpetuates their delusional biases. Also, you're implying vegetarianism is a healthier diet than a varied, balanced diet, I don't think that is necessarily the case (Mediterranean diet is known for being one of thw healthiest diets and it includes vegetables, meat, fish, eggs, fruits, etc)

coldtea 8y ago
>I can see how being involved with a community can be a good thing, but not so sure that being involved with a church community is a good thing, as it perpetuates their delusional biases. We have all kinds of "delusional biases" in 2018 secular society as well. At least theirs have passed the test of time (not for being true, for being utilitarian). Plus, not all church communities are like fundamentalist bible belt nuts. In Icaria for example, it would be more like going to a Dead Can Dance (or Enigma) concert and meeting some friends for 1 hour, celebrating some wedding, mourning some dead at a funeral, at so on. It wouldn't dictate what you do with your everyday life.
- Kye 8y ago
  Even fundamentalist bible belt people can be good company. Some of the nicest, kindest, most helpful people I know secretly worry I'm on a fast path to hell. They'd never say it since judgement is sinful, but I know they think it.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    That's true, I shouldn't be dismissive. What I meant is that depending on the church and regional culture church communities don't necessarily come with the "austere fundamental parents", "no puffs or artists in our family", "sex is sin" etc cliches.
CalRobert 8y ago
I'm not endorsing the religion, and I'm not religious myself. However I did attend a Seventh Day Adventist high school, and for several years, church, and the community aspect is something I dearly miss. Knowing that every Saturday you'll go hang out with friends and chat and maybe go to the beach and generally take it easy was really nice. It was also the sort of place you could go and know nobody would accuse you of delusional biases, unlike online communities like HN. I'm a doubtful agnostic these days, but people who've never been could try talking to churchgoers to discover their motivations. Seeing friends and knowing it's a pretty safe place are big draws. Of course, I was pretty lucky to be at, by SDA standards, a _very_ liberal church, and straight. I also had a good secular and Catholic education before attending the SDA school, which had horrendous standards (and creationism). And I now live in a place where the horrors of a state religion are laid bare - google "babies" and "septic tank". But there are big positives that are hard to replicate. I also really miss the "I. Do. Not. Work. On. The. Sabbath." (standard disclaimer forfirefighters, emt, etc) side of things. Everyone here who has burned out might appreciate the idea of one day reserved for family, friends, and reflection. Also, c'mon, a person following a vegetarian diet is at _least_ paying more attention to what they eat then most, and animal fats are not particularly healthy. Comparing to the best diets including animals (basically fish heavy ones) doesn't mean that vegetarian isn't better than the standard western diet.

by drKarl 8y ago

coldtea 8y ago

>I can see how being involved with a community can be a good thing, but not so sure that being involved with a church community is a good thing, as it perpetuates their delusional biases. We have all kinds of "delusional biases" in 2018 secular society as well. At least theirs have passed the test of time (not for being true, for being utilitarian). Plus, not all church communities are like fundamentalist bible belt nuts. In Icaria for example, it would be more like going to a Dead Can Dance (or Enigma) concert and meeting some friends for 1 hour, celebrating some wedding, mourning some dead at a funeral, at so on. It wouldn't dictate what you do with your everyday life.

Kye 8y ago
Even fundamentalist bible belt people can be good company. Some of the nicest, kindest, most helpful people I know secretly worry I'm on a fast path to hell. They'd never say it since judgement is sinful, but I know they think it.
- coldtea 8y ago
  That's true, I shouldn't be dismissive. What I meant is that depending on the church and regional culture church communities don't necessarily come with the "austere fundamental parents", "no puffs or artists in our family", "sex is sin" etc cliches.

CalRobert 8y ago

I'm not endorsing the religion, and I'm not religious myself. However I did attend a Seventh Day Adventist high school, and for several years, church, and the community aspect is something I dearly miss. Knowing that every Saturday you'll go hang out with friends and chat and maybe go to the beach and generally take it easy was really nice. It was also the sort of place you could go and know nobody would accuse you of delusional biases, unlike online communities like HN. I'm a doubtful agnostic these days, but people who've never been could try talking to churchgoers to discover their motivations. Seeing friends and knowing it's a pretty safe place are big draws. Of course, I was pretty lucky to be at, by SDA standards, a _very_ liberal church, and straight. I also had a good secular and Catholic education before attending the SDA school, which had horrendous standards (and creationism). And I now live in a place where the horrors of a state religion are laid bare - google "babies" and "septic tank". But there are big positives that are hard to replicate. I also really miss the "I. Do. Not. Work. On. The. Sabbath." (standard disclaimer forfirefighters, emt, etc) side of things. Everyone here who has burned out might appreciate the idea of one day reserved for family, friends, and reflection. Also, c'mon, a person following a vegetarian diet is at _least_ paying more attention to what they eat then most, and animal fats are not particularly healthy. Comparing to the best diets including animals (basically fish heavy ones) doesn't mean that vegetarian isn't better than the standard western diet.