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> Consuming large amounts of juice might have been the trigger for diabetic conditions in a family member. I believe this is only possible when on a diet that

by cies 8y ago

> Consuming large amounts of juice might have been the trigger for diabetic conditions in a family member. I believe this is only possible when on a diet that's >10cal% fat. When your fat intake is very low (like the fruit binging chimps/utangs/bonobos), and your cells are (thus) properly sensitive to insulin, you will not suffer from lots of sugar in fruit juice. Fibers help making it digest slower, and will reduce the blood sugar spike further, but the main thing is that your cells quickly absorb the blood sugar, for which proper insulin sensitivity is needed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRbj3n-1CUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRbj3n-1CUM

speedplane 8y ago
But why drink juice when you can have the full fruit/vegetable? There is way more fiber, you fill up faster, and often it tastes better.
- coldtea 8y ago
  Not to people used to adding tons of sugar and syrups in their "juices"
  - cies 8y ago
    That's not a juice anymore. Then I'd call it lemonade. :)
JanSt 8y ago
Fructose does not raise blood sugar (!) but can lead to NAFLD. Bananas have a relatively low GI. Fat is not the enemy!
- cies 8y ago
  > Fructose does not raise blood sugar (!) It does, but in the absence of fat (>10cal%) in the diet it does not raise it in a significant way. > but can lead to NAFLD Do you have a source for that? Here a pretty comprehensive breakdown of the ways NAFLD can come about. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/prevent-non-alcoholic-fatty-liver-disease/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/prevent-non-alcoholic-fatty...
  - loeg 8y ago
    FYI: nutritionfacts.org is a quack site run by a quack (Michael Greger).[0][1] It may on occasion present the truth (by accident if for no other reason), but it should not be trusted as a source. [0]: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illness-curable-by-veganism/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illnes... [1]: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-not-to-die-review https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-not-to-die-review
    - cies 8y ago
      [0]: Rubbish. Greger (and a long list of other docs) promote a WFPB diet. They are not professionally promoting "veganism" (which is not a diet, but an ethical stance; and wrt to diet is more broad than the WFPB diet), and this article makes claims against veganism. Off point. Let's move on... [1]: HNTD (the book) is on the topic of treating disease with whole plant food. Is that a problem? Is he denying that sometimes another approach is needed? (nope) Is he claiming prevention is better than curing? (yups) Now the article does little more that claiming "cherry picking"... 1/4th of the book is refs to scientific publications. Whether you think this was cherry picked or carefully selected is up to you... It more a matter of taste than anything else.

by cies 8y ago

speedplane 8y ago

But why drink juice when you can have the full fruit/vegetable? There is way more fiber, you fill up faster, and often it tastes better.

coldtea 8y ago
Not to people used to adding tons of sugar and syrups in their "juices"
- cies 8y ago
  That's not a juice anymore. Then I'd call it lemonade. :)

JanSt 8y ago

Fructose does not raise blood sugar (!) but can lead to NAFLD. Bananas have a relatively low GI. Fat is not the enemy!

cies 8y ago
> Fructose does not raise blood sugar (!) It does, but in the absence of fat (>10cal%) in the diet it does not raise it in a significant way. > but can lead to NAFLD Do you have a source for that? Here a pretty comprehensive breakdown of the ways NAFLD can come about. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/prevent-non-alcoholic-fatty-liver-disease/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/prevent-non-alcoholic-fatty...
- loeg 8y ago
  FYI: nutritionfacts.org is a quack site run by a quack (Michael Greger).[0][1] It may on occasion present the truth (by accident if for no other reason), but it should not be trusted as a source. [0]: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illness-curable-by-veganism/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illnes... [1]: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-not-to-die-review https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-not-to-die-review
  - cies 8y ago
    [0]: Rubbish. Greger (and a long list of other docs) promote a WFPB diet. They are not professionally promoting "veganism" (which is not a diet, but an ethical stance; and wrt to diet is more broad than the WFPB diet), and this article makes claims against veganism. Off point. Let's move on... [1]: HNTD (the book) is on the topic of treating disease with whole plant food. Is that a problem? Is he denying that sometimes another approach is needed? (nope) Is he claiming prevention is better than curing? (yups) Now the article does little more that claiming "cherry picking"... 1/4th of the book is refs to scientific publications. Whether you think this was cherry picked or carefully selected is up to you... It more a matter of taste than anything else.