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Every time discussion about H-1B comes up here, many people chime in on the potential abuses from large international outsourcers like Infosys, Wipro, Cognizant

Every time discussion about H-1B comes up here, many people chime in on the potential abuses from large international outsourcers like Infosys, Wipro, Cognizant, IBM, Accenture etc. But IME, the most egregious abuses come from small American staffing companies as those run by the accused here. The absolute number of H-1B applications they file and get are smaller, but they occupy the long tail of the distribution. Also, the same fraudulent operators run multiple such companies. The accused in this case - Kishore Kumar Kavuru - ran four such companies. In the other case mentioned in the article the accused - Pradyumna Kumar Samal - two such companies. I hope these two cases don't go the way of the one against Raju Kosuri. Kosuri, a naturalized American citizen, plead guilty [1] to serious charges of immigration fraud. But due to some technicality in the prosecution's case, Kosuri was handed down a mere 28 months to serve, and is scheduled to be deported to India [2]. Off-topic question: India does not accept dual citizenship. So when the Kosuris became naturalized citizens, they must have given up their India citizenship. Given that, why should India accept them back after they were deemed criminals in their adopted country? What is the legality around revoking naturalized US citizenship? [1]: https://www.scribd.com/document/322254486/Kosuri-Plea https://www.scribd.com/document/322254486/Kosuri-Plea [2]: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/12/24/indian-national-to-be-deported-after-profiting-20m-by-fraudulently-importing-h-1b-foreign-workers/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/12/24/indian-nationa...

beerlord 8y ago
And in all of the cases, they are Indians committing fraud to assist the immigration of other Indians. Perhaps the simplest solution is to disallow Indian nationals from applying for H1B completely? I think its generally problematic if one class of visa comes to be dominated by a single nationality. It does not result in diversity in the host country, for starters. I think people would be more welcoming of the H1B visa (and expanding it, or offering more rights for those on it) if it wasn't completely dominated by Indian men. Perhaps rules limiting any one country to a maximum of 10% of the visa quota, and ensuring the intake is at least 60% female would assist public perceptions?
- jobigoud 8y ago
  How would that be fair to Indian nationals that play by the rules? There is a similar rule to what you propose in the Olympic Games. Max of 3 athletes from a given country in each track and field event. I always found that rule stupid and artificial. Potentially several of the top 10 athletes in the World can't compete just because of their country of origin.
  - anticensor 8y ago
    Do you really want a race track full of Africans and Afro-Americans and throw field full of Scandinavians?
- guipsp 8y ago
  >Perhaps the simplest solution is to disallow Indian nationals from applying for H1B completely? Wow, this is an incredibly racist and west-centric view. Are you really going to exclude 17% of the world's population based exclusively on where they were born?
  - nonamechicken 8y ago
    As an Indian, I would really like Americans to kick out all Indians so that they will stay in India and make India great. At least our children won't have to listen to such statements.
- amf12 8y ago
  This is incredibly racist. This is exactly like the stupid Muslim ban by Trump. "Some x are/do y, so lets ban all x".
gaius 8y ago
Off-topic question: India does not accept dual citizenship. So when the Kosuris became naturalized citizens, they must have given up their India citizenship. Given that, why should India accept them back after they were deemed criminals in their adopted country? What is the legality around revoking naturalized US citizenship? Usually the way this works is that country A doesn't "recognise" dual-citizenship, which means if you are a citizen of country A and country B and you commit an offence in country A you don't get to say "well I am a citizen of country B so that doesn't apply to me". I am not sure if India requires you to give up your citizenship on taking another, but if they did it would make sense, and in fact it's surprising that that doesn't always happen. If a citizen of country A wants to become a citizen of country B instead fair enough but it's not in the interests of A or B that they should retain citizenship of A too.
- davchana 8y ago
  India requires one to surrender the indian passport asap after acquiring any other citizenship
  - gaius 8y ago
    Good for them. It is baffling why others don’t do this. It doesn’t make sense on any level.
npsomaratna 8y ago
Legal student here. To answer your question - current international human rights treaties / laws prevent revocation of citizenship (even naturalized citizenship) if that would leave the person stateless. Edit: and yes, India, only allows single-citizenship. Accepting U.S. citizenship automatically results in the loss of Indian citizenship.
- raverbashing 8y ago
  "Automatic" is not always so automatic. Not sure about India, but in other countries this "automatic revocation" is neither automatic nor permanent (believe it or not) Also, given it is not a requirement by the US that the recipient give up their other citizenships, they don't care about the other country knowing about it
  - kamaal 8y ago
    >>Not sure about India Not had this experience to comment on this first hand. But as an Indian, I guess they ask you to surrender your Passport at the Indian embassy, and then ask you to apply for a PIO(Person of Indian origin) card.
    - dorfsmay 8y ago
      How does the Indian government know that a person has another citizenship?
      - kamaal 8y ago
        I think one way is taxes. But I guess there will be some sharing of databases. On the other hand, I think, putting your US citizenship on risk for maintaining a illegal status would not make sense for a lot of people.
      - davchana 8y ago
        One way is when we enter India at borders, they check out exit dates in system. Usually people who are still indians would have US's some kind of visa. US Citizens will not be able to show any US visa. There are heavy fines for not self surrendering the indian passport after US Citizenship within 6 months.
jobigoud 8y ago
On the topic of dual citizenship, I'm always surprised at these deportations of American citizens. That means the law is not the same for all American citizens. He is getting a different punishment than another arbitrary American citizen doing the same offense.
- bradleyjg 8y ago
  According to a sibling comment the person in question was not naturalized. A US citizen can absolutely not be deported anywhere. They would have to be denaturalized first and the only grounds for involuntary denaturalization are having committed fraud in the naturalization process itself.
nonamechicken 8y ago
H1B has basically become a slavery visa for Indians. Similar to how the Indian government runs commercials warning Indians going to Gulf countries not to fall into employment related traps, it's hightime we educate Indians wanting to get h1b the issues associated with it. I don't expect American laws to change to make h1b workers life easier. But at least the current Trump administration seems to be targeting a lot of these companies that take advantage of the h1b employees, which is good.
Illniyar 8y ago
It seems that Raju Kosuri was not naturalized but a permanent resident, while is wife was naturalized but because she came by this scheme she agreed to have her naturalization revoked because it was received fraudulently. https://www.google.co.il/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/public-safety/va-man-behind-20-million-visa-fraud-faces-deportation-after-prison-sentence/2017/12/22/61007138-e729-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html

beerlord 8y ago

And in all of the cases, they are Indians committing fraud to assist the immigration of other Indians. Perhaps the simplest solution is to disallow Indian nationals from applying for H1B completely? I think its generally problematic if one class of visa comes to be dominated by a single nationality. It does not result in diversity in the host country, for starters. I think people would be more welcoming of the H1B visa (and expanding it, or offering more rights for those on it) if it wasn't completely dominated by Indian men. Perhaps rules limiting any one country to a maximum of 10% of the visa quota, and ensuring the intake is at least 60% female would assist public perceptions?

jobigoud 8y ago
How would that be fair to Indian nationals that play by the rules? There is a similar rule to what you propose in the Olympic Games. Max of 3 athletes from a given country in each track and field event. I always found that rule stupid and artificial. Potentially several of the top 10 athletes in the World can't compete just because of their country of origin.
- anticensor 8y ago
  Do you really want a race track full of Africans and Afro-Americans and throw field full of Scandinavians?
guipsp 8y ago
>Perhaps the simplest solution is to disallow Indian nationals from applying for H1B completely? Wow, this is an incredibly racist and west-centric view. Are you really going to exclude 17% of the world's population based exclusively on where they were born?
- nonamechicken 8y ago
  As an Indian, I would really like Americans to kick out all Indians so that they will stay in India and make India great. At least our children won't have to listen to such statements.
amf12 8y ago
This is incredibly racist. This is exactly like the stupid Muslim ban by Trump. "Some x are/do y, so lets ban all x".

gaius 8y ago

Off-topic question: India does not accept dual citizenship. So when the Kosuris became naturalized citizens, they must have given up their India citizenship. Given that, why should India accept them back after they were deemed criminals in their adopted country? What is the legality around revoking naturalized US citizenship? Usually the way this works is that country A doesn't "recognise" dual-citizenship, which means if you are a citizen of country A and country B and you commit an offence in country A you don't get to say "well I am a citizen of country B so that doesn't apply to me". I am not sure if India requires you to give up your citizenship on taking another, but if they did it would make sense, and in fact it's surprising that that doesn't always happen. If a citizen of country A wants to become a citizen of country B instead fair enough but it's not in the interests of A or B that they should retain citizenship of A too.

davchana 8y ago
India requires one to surrender the indian passport asap after acquiring any other citizenship
- gaius 8y ago
  Good for them. It is baffling why others don’t do this. It doesn’t make sense on any level.

npsomaratna 8y ago

Legal student here. To answer your question - current international human rights treaties / laws prevent revocation of citizenship (even naturalized citizenship) if that would leave the person stateless. Edit: and yes, India, only allows single-citizenship. Accepting U.S. citizenship automatically results in the loss of Indian citizenship.

raverbashing 8y ago
"Automatic" is not always so automatic. Not sure about India, but in other countries this "automatic revocation" is neither automatic nor permanent (believe it or not) Also, given it is not a requirement by the US that the recipient give up their other citizenships, they don't care about the other country knowing about it
- kamaal 8y ago
  >>Not sure about India Not had this experience to comment on this first hand. But as an Indian, I guess they ask you to surrender your Passport at the Indian embassy, and then ask you to apply for a PIO(Person of Indian origin) card.
  - dorfsmay 8y ago
    How does the Indian government know that a person has another citizenship?
    - kamaal 8y ago
      I think one way is taxes. But I guess there will be some sharing of databases. On the other hand, I think, putting your US citizenship on risk for maintaining a illegal status would not make sense for a lot of people.
    - davchana 8y ago
      One way is when we enter India at borders, they check out exit dates in system. Usually people who are still indians would have US's some kind of visa. US Citizens will not be able to show any US visa. There are heavy fines for not self surrendering the indian passport after US Citizenship within 6 months.

jobigoud 8y ago

On the topic of dual citizenship, I'm always surprised at these deportations of American citizens. That means the law is not the same for all American citizens. He is getting a different punishment than another arbitrary American citizen doing the same offense.

bradleyjg 8y ago
According to a sibling comment the person in question was not naturalized. A US citizen can absolutely not be deported anywhere. They would have to be denaturalized first and the only grounds for involuntary denaturalization are having committed fraud in the naturalization process itself.

nonamechicken 8y ago

H1B has basically become a slavery visa for Indians. Similar to how the Indian government runs commercials warning Indians going to Gulf countries not to fall into employment related traps, it's hightime we educate Indians wanting to get h1b the issues associated with it. I don't expect American laws to change to make h1b workers life easier. But at least the current Trump administration seems to be targeting a lot of these companies that take advantage of the h1b employees, which is good.

Illniyar 8y ago

It seems that Raju Kosuri was not naturalized but a permanent resident, while is wife was naturalized but because she came by this scheme she agreed to have her naturalization revoked because it was received fraudulently. https://www.google.co.il/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/public-safety/va-man-behind-20-million-visa-fraud-faces-deportation-after-prison-sentence/2017/12/22/61007138-e729-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html