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This is good. I have seen a lot of workers/friends who applied legitimately get fucked because of this kind of abuse of the system. I still think expansion of
by BIackSwan 8y ago
This is good. I have seen a lot of workers/friends who applied legitimately get fucked because of this kind of abuse of the system.
I still think expansion of the h1b program is necessary since there is a lot of demand. But curbing the abuse will definitely help the current set of people opting to use the legal way.
- sneak 8y agoNothing about this is good. The entire system is one of arbitrary inefficiency. Punishing someone for trying to work around it and labeling it “fraud” when the only fraud going on is pushing a protectionist agenda as a free market isn’t a benefit for anyone.
- slededit 8y agoFraud wasn’t a mere label in this case. The positions he described to USCIS simply did not exist. If that’s not fraud then the word is meaningless.
- whoisjuan 8y agoYou clearly didn't read the article because this guy did absolutely all the things that constitute a fraud, regardless if it has to do with a visa or not. Creating fake jobs, falsifying documents, charging money to the people that were applying for visas, "parking" those visas with no paid wages and using those unpaid visa beneficiaries to undercut other firms... I don't think there's a circumstance in any country in which those actions wouldn't be labeled as "fraud".
- scarejunba 8y agoI think he believes the law is unjust.
- lozenge 8y agoEven if the law is unjust, breaking it is not necessarily just. It still depends on the circumstances. In this case he charged fees and almost certainly lied to the immigrant about their chances of getting a job.
- Nullabillity 8y agoSo.. the same as the USCIS itself?
- BIackSwan 8y agoI am only commenting about the abuse of the h1b system as mentioned in the link. This not about any of the other actions of “protectionist policy” that you mention. You cannot do fake job postings in order to bench someone and call it “work around” in order to not call it a fraud and put it in a good light. The overall issue of h1b visa and foreign worker policy is highly nuanced and beyond what can be discussed in HN comments. To reiterate- I am in support of easier migration of skilled workers than what is done today. But abuse of it (and a stark case at that) is something that harms other skilled workers looking to come in a legit way.
- fzeroracer 8y agoA pure free market for H-1Bs would be an absolute disaster considering how much leverage a corporation has over them, unless you would also like to advocate for curbing our immigration laws/enforcement in order to prevent companies threatening people with deportation. And that said, you should really read the article before you make claims like that considering he's a prime example of how far someone would go to abuse employees without recourse.
- tzhenghao 8y agoJust reading this makes me pissed off. I have hardworking friends who get good jobs (some FAANG and some in finance) but ultimately had to pack their bags and go home because they were “unlucky” several times in the h1b lottery system, and here we have people committing fraud. Bad actors like these then hurt even existing H1B holders in the context of more strict vetting processes for extensions etc., thus slowing USCIS down and grinding the whole system to a halt. I doubt this is all of it. There’s definitely more in hiding.
- ntsplnkv2 8y agoThere has been "demand" for years in largely the same areas. How about we invest and offer scholarship in these areas of need instead so 5 years down we don't need to bring in indentured servants. Or offer permanent citizenship.