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"Fine and Manson stressed that vitamin D and the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil are important nutrients, but the best way to get them is as part of a wel

by koboll 8y ago

"Fine and Manson stressed that vitamin D and the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil are important nutrients, but the best way to get them is as part of a well-balanced diet. That includes eating fatty fish like sardines, tuna and salmon, and vitamin-D fortified cereals, milk, and orange juice." Ah, okay. So instead of taking supplemental Vitamin D, you should get it from natural sources, such as..... foods that have been artificially fortified with supplemental Vitamin D.

raverbashing 8y ago
Most Omega-3 comes from fish already, though there is a point in preferring the fish to the supplements, it's not as if it was something completely synthetic (like other supplements) Also eating fish has other problems
- cies 8y ago
  All O3 comes from algae, fish merely accumulate. One could also get algae based supplement. It's animal friendly and possibly less contaminated (fish are much polluted nowadays). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_oil I read there: """The fish used as sources do not actually produce omega-3 fatty acids, but instead accumulate them by consuming either microalgae or prey fish that have accumulated omega-3 fatty acids."""
  - raverbashing 8y ago
    Thanks for the info, it's interesting that Algae produce (fish) Omega-3, whereas land-based plants produce only ALA and not EPA/DHA
    - cies 8y ago
      And your brain consists of a lot of DHA. ALA->EPA->DHA conversion is minimal, and depends on many factors (which are basically showing that we need to be healthy).
ztjio 8y ago
I get your joke but the concern he expresses is only relevant to the Omega-3. In the case of vitamin D, outside of sunlight exposure, supplements are basically your only practical option. Furthermore, the foods mentioned often have it added (milk nearly always does) and so one would want to be aware of that before adding it further from another supplement. At worst, the paragraph is just a poorly constructed catch all warning. Bottom line is, get your Omega-3 from fish. Get your Vit D from the sun as much as you safely can and then from common sources before jumping to a separate supplement.
- shard 8y ago
  Here are my concerns with their statement: First, I recall warnings about too much fish consumption due to mercury levels in the fish. So how much fish consumption is necessary to get the required omega 3 and does the benefits balance out over the harm caused by the mercury? And are there any particular kinds of fish to consume to limit mercury exposure while getting the benefits of omega 3? Second, as far as I know juices are not too great for your health, all the sugars of a large amount of fruit in a quickly absorbable form without the fiber to slow it down. Consuming large amounts of juice might have been the trigger for diabetic conditions in a family member. Also, if I remember correctly, cereal had also been deemed not particularly healthy, although I don't recall the details.
  - cies 8y ago
    > mercury levels in the fish Better not to eat fish at all, as one small bit of tuna (for instance) per week already increases the mercury build up in the body. https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/fish/ https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/fish/ Also, you can get high DHA omega 3 supplements made from algae. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/should-we-take-epa-and-dha-omega-3-for-our-heart/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/should-we-take-epa-and-dha-...
    - speedplane 8y ago
      Tuna is nice and fancy (and expensive). Few eat it every day. Tilapia is cheap, sustainable, and has low mercury. I’m no nutritionist, but what’s the big deal with eating tuna every now and again, but mostly sticking to smaller fish?
sametmax 8y ago
It's espacially weird given that D vitamins can be produced easily in the human body as long as you expose the skin to the sun. It's in no way required to be provided from external sources. A daily 15 minutes of exposure for the face and forarms is enough, and it contributes to recalibrate the mood and circadian rythm as well. It's free, healthy, and simple. Why would anyone recommand a supplement to people that have access to the sun is beyong me. Omega 3 is harder, but still.
- oe 8y ago
  It’s not free or simple if the sun doesn’t shine where you live.
  - glun 8y ago
    And even when it does shine the critical UVB spectrum may not pierce the athmosphere at a strong enough intensity for the body to produce vitamin D.
  - sametmax 8y ago
    That's not the majority of the world, population wise. You can offer alternative for the exceptional case, but you should label it as such.
- majkinetor 8y ago
  Darker skin types do not produce adequate vitamin D.
zeroname 8y ago
> "Fine and Manson stressed that vitamin D and the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil are important nutrients, but the best way to get them is as part of a well-balanced diet. That includes eating fatty fish like sardines, tuna and salmon, and vitamin-D fortified cereals, milk, and orange juice." That doesn't make any sense in the case of Vitamin D. The amount of fish necessary to get a reasonably high amount of Vitamin D from a diet is so high, you may well get heavy metal poisoning. Fish is pretty much the only viable dietary source of Vitamin D. There is only two way to get "enough" Vitamin D: Sunlight and supplements. Obtaining enough sunlight in the winter with an office job isn't possible in the northern hemisphere.
- loeg 8y ago
  > That doesn't make any sense in the case of Vitamin D. The amount of fish necessary to get a reasonably high amount of Vitamin D from a diet is so high, you may well get heavy metal poisoning. Fish is pretty much the only viable dietary source of Vitamin D. I believe the portion of the sentence advising readers on vitamin D sources is this part: "vitamin-D fortified cereals, milk, and orange juice." It is confusing because the order is reversed from the first clause of the sentence. I do think it's a bit odd that the article criticizes vitamin D supplements and instead advises ... vitamin D supplemented foodstuffs.

by koboll 8y ago

raverbashing 8y ago

Most Omega-3 comes from fish already, though there is a point in preferring the fish to the supplements, it's not as if it was something completely synthetic (like other supplements) Also eating fish has other problems

cies 8y ago
All O3 comes from algae, fish merely accumulate. One could also get algae based supplement. It's animal friendly and possibly less contaminated (fish are much polluted nowadays). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_oil I read there: """The fish used as sources do not actually produce omega-3 fatty acids, but instead accumulate them by consuming either microalgae or prey fish that have accumulated omega-3 fatty acids."""
- raverbashing 8y ago
  Thanks for the info, it's interesting that Algae produce (fish) Omega-3, whereas land-based plants produce only ALA and not EPA/DHA
  - cies 8y ago
    And your brain consists of a lot of DHA. ALA->EPA->DHA conversion is minimal, and depends on many factors (which are basically showing that we need to be healthy).

ztjio 8y ago

I get your joke but the concern he expresses is only relevant to the Omega-3. In the case of vitamin D, outside of sunlight exposure, supplements are basically your only practical option. Furthermore, the foods mentioned often have it added (milk nearly always does) and so one would want to be aware of that before adding it further from another supplement. At worst, the paragraph is just a poorly constructed catch all warning. Bottom line is, get your Omega-3 from fish. Get your Vit D from the sun as much as you safely can and then from common sources before jumping to a separate supplement.

shard 8y ago
Here are my concerns with their statement: First, I recall warnings about too much fish consumption due to mercury levels in the fish. So how much fish consumption is necessary to get the required omega 3 and does the benefits balance out over the harm caused by the mercury? And are there any particular kinds of fish to consume to limit mercury exposure while getting the benefits of omega 3? Second, as far as I know juices are not too great for your health, all the sugars of a large amount of fruit in a quickly absorbable form without the fiber to slow it down. Consuming large amounts of juice might have been the trigger for diabetic conditions in a family member. Also, if I remember correctly, cereal had also been deemed not particularly healthy, although I don't recall the details.
- cies 8y ago
  > mercury levels in the fish Better not to eat fish at all, as one small bit of tuna (for instance) per week already increases the mercury build up in the body. https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/fish/ https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/fish/ Also, you can get high DHA omega 3 supplements made from algae. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/should-we-take-epa-and-dha-omega-3-for-our-heart/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/should-we-take-epa-and-dha-...
  - speedplane 8y ago
    Tuna is nice and fancy (and expensive). Few eat it every day. Tilapia is cheap, sustainable, and has low mercury. I’m no nutritionist, but what’s the big deal with eating tuna every now and again, but mostly sticking to smaller fish?

sametmax 8y ago

It's espacially weird given that D vitamins can be produced easily in the human body as long as you expose the skin to the sun. It's in no way required to be provided from external sources. A daily 15 minutes of exposure for the face and forarms is enough, and it contributes to recalibrate the mood and circadian rythm as well. It's free, healthy, and simple. Why would anyone recommand a supplement to people that have access to the sun is beyong me. Omega 3 is harder, but still.

oe 8y ago
It’s not free or simple if the sun doesn’t shine where you live.
- glun 8y ago
  And even when it does shine the critical UVB spectrum may not pierce the athmosphere at a strong enough intensity for the body to produce vitamin D.
- sametmax 8y ago
  That's not the majority of the world, population wise. You can offer alternative for the exceptional case, but you should label it as such.
majkinetor 8y ago
Darker skin types do not produce adequate vitamin D.

zeroname 8y ago

> "Fine and Manson stressed that vitamin D and the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil are important nutrients, but the best way to get them is as part of a well-balanced diet. That includes eating fatty fish like sardines, tuna and salmon, and vitamin-D fortified cereals, milk, and orange juice." That doesn't make any sense in the case of Vitamin D. The amount of fish necessary to get a reasonably high amount of Vitamin D from a diet is so high, you may well get heavy metal poisoning. Fish is pretty much the only viable dietary source of Vitamin D. There is only two way to get "enough" Vitamin D: Sunlight and supplements. Obtaining enough sunlight in the winter with an office job isn't possible in the northern hemisphere.

loeg 8y ago
> That doesn't make any sense in the case of Vitamin D. The amount of fish necessary to get a reasonably high amount of Vitamin D from a diet is so high, you may well get heavy metal poisoning. Fish is pretty much the only viable dietary source of Vitamin D. I believe the portion of the sentence advising readers on vitamin D sources is this part: "vitamin-D fortified cereals, milk, and orange juice." It is confusing because the order is reversed from the first clause of the sentence. I do think it's a bit odd that the article criticizes vitamin D supplements and instead advises ... vitamin D supplemented foodstuffs.