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Grunya Sukhareva characterized autism nearly two decades before Asperger

48 points by chablent 8y ago

shshhdhs 8y ago
> “Sukhareva published more than 150 papers, six monographs and several textbooks on topics as diverse as intellectual disability, schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder, among other conditions.” Off topic, but what’s the difference between an article, a monograph, and textbook? It seems there could be a Venn diagram of overlap— but perhaps is it just page length that is the characterizing difference?
- detaro 8y ago
  From my understanding: Papers are short(-ish), multiple papers by multiple authors are published together in a magazine/conference proceedings/... A monograph is a book by a single author on a single topic, mainly presenting their results and views. In contrast to that, a text book should be a survey of the specific field useful for learning about the field, and not just present the authors results.
- pvaldes 8y ago
  The article needs to pass a peer review and other filters. In the case of a textbook it depends. Not necessarily. Monographies are often a compilation of published articles in the same theme (can have more than one author) or a review written for a recognised expert in that theme.
jackfoxy 8y ago
I've been struggling with understanding Ludwig von Mises' use of the term autistic exchange published in 1949 in his book Human Action. I was thinking that as a non-native writing in English he had more or less invented the term from auto. I had already established the words autism and autistic came into the language in the first half of the 20th century. This article now makes it clear to me he had been keeping up with the literature in other social science fields, and the early literature on autism emphasized the social withdrawal and detachment. Hence von Mises identifies autistic exchange with an economic exchange a person makes with oneself. The example he gives is a hunter who expends a cartridge he possesses to shoot a deer in order to eat.
gpvos 8y ago
> And although her 1925 paper on autism traits appeared in German the following year, the translation butchered her name, misspelling it as "Ssucharewa." I just want to note that the double s at the beginning is the only mistake in the different spelling. Maybe some would call that "butchering", but I think that's a bit harsh. The ch and w are the normal German transcriptions of the Russian letters that get transcribed into English as kh and v, so they were appropriate for the German translation, but in English retranslations or reviews, such as this article, they should be retranscribed from the original.
- georgecmu 8y ago
  The double s is not actually a misspelling either. A single s at the beginning of the word would be pronounced as the English Z.
winchling 8y ago
>All five also showed a preference for their own inner world, yet each had his own peculiarities or talents. The way I understand it, this 'inner world' is really the outer world. Strictly speaking, it's one's representation of the world. It's the only direct access one has to reality. What is really meant by the 'outer world' is of course social relationships. Yet they constitute only a sliver of reality.
- derefr 8y ago
  Not at all. The "inner world" is exactly the thing one seeks to annihilate when meditating or practicing "mindfulness." It is the world of reflective thoughts, trains of thought, tangents, and intrusive thoughts. The "outer world" is a representation as well, yes, but it is the representation (and instantaneous interpretation) of directly-available sensory information. One might call this representation an analogue of one's embodied reality. A preference to live in one's "own inner world" is a preference—while doing some act "A" out in the world—to think about some other "not-A" thing (usually a continuous, long-standing "not-A" context that stays with you regardless of what "A" you're currently experiencing.) People on the autistic spectrum tend to have exactly this preference.
  - winchling 8y ago
    This is very good, thanks. Two thoughts: (1) the 'outer world' of one who reflects upon it deeply is going to be richer than the average 'outer world', especially outside the social parts (2) whether and under what conditions the reflective thoughts are either free or 'intrusive'

48 points by chablent 8y ago

> “Sukhareva published more than 150 papers, six monographs and several textbooks on topics as diverse as intellectual disability, schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder, among other conditions.” Off topic, but what’s the difference between an article, a monograph, and textbook? It seems there could be a Venn diagram of overlap— but perhaps is it just page length that is the characterizing difference?

detaro 8y ago
From my understanding: Papers are short(-ish), multiple papers by multiple authors are published together in a magazine/conference proceedings/... A monograph is a book by a single author on a single topic, mainly presenting their results and views. In contrast to that, a text book should be a survey of the specific field useful for learning about the field, and not just present the authors results.
pvaldes 8y ago
The article needs to pass a peer review and other filters. In the case of a textbook it depends. Not necessarily. Monographies are often a compilation of published articles in the same theme (can have more than one author) or a review written for a recognised expert in that theme.

jackfoxy 8y ago

I've been struggling with understanding Ludwig von Mises' use of the term autistic exchange published in 1949 in his book Human Action. I was thinking that as a non-native writing in English he had more or less invented the term from auto. I had already established the words autism and autistic came into the language in the first half of the 20th century. This article now makes it clear to me he had been keeping up with the literature in other social science fields, and the early literature on autism emphasized the social withdrawal and detachment. Hence von Mises identifies autistic exchange with an economic exchange a person makes with oneself. The example he gives is a hunter who expends a cartridge he possesses to shoot a deer in order to eat.

gpvos 8y ago

> And although her 1925 paper on autism traits appeared in German the following year, the translation butchered her name, misspelling it as "Ssucharewa." I just want to note that the double s at the beginning is the only mistake in the different spelling. Maybe some would call that "butchering", but I think that's a bit harsh. The ch and w are the normal German transcriptions of the Russian letters that get transcribed into English as kh and v, so they were appropriate for the German translation, but in English retranslations or reviews, such as this article, they should be retranscribed from the original.

georgecmu 8y ago
The double s is not actually a misspelling either. A single s at the beginning of the word would be pronounced as the English Z.

winchling 8y ago

>All five also showed a preference for their own inner world, yet each had his own peculiarities or talents. The way I understand it, this 'inner world' is really the outer world. Strictly speaking, it's one's representation of the world. It's the only direct access one has to reality. What is really meant by the 'outer world' is of course social relationships. Yet they constitute only a sliver of reality.

derefr 8y ago
Not at all. The "inner world" is exactly the thing one seeks to annihilate when meditating or practicing "mindfulness." It is the world of reflective thoughts, trains of thought, tangents, and intrusive thoughts. The "outer world" is a representation as well, yes, but it is the representation (and instantaneous interpretation) of directly-available sensory information. One might call this representation an analogue of one's embodied reality. A preference to live in one's "own inner world" is a preference—while doing some act "A" out in the world—to think about some other "not-A" thing (usually a continuous, long-standing "not-A" context that stays with you regardless of what "A" you're currently experiencing.) People on the autistic spectrum tend to have exactly this preference.
- winchling 8y ago
  This is very good, thanks. Two thoughts: (1) the 'outer world' of one who reflects upon it deeply is going to be richer than the average 'outer world', especially outside the social parts (2) whether and under what conditions the reflective thoughts are either free or 'intrusive'