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flavoured ecigs target highschoolers

NeedMoreTea 8y ago
Utter rubbish. Are flavoured boxes of chocolates and flavoured coffee syrups targeting highschoolers too just because they're flavoured? Every vaper and ex-vaper I know or have ever met has used flavoured ecigs, including myself while I was quitting. A whiff of the vapour as they pass is enough to establish if they're using a fruity flavour etc. As I'm in my mid 50s and my friends are mostly 30s-60s I think it's safe to say we're not highschoolers. The one and only time I tried a tobacco flavoured ecig I almost vomited it was so terrible. I think it's a flavour everyone tries as they switch. Tries just the once mostly - they are utterly unlike any cigarette.
- yladiz 8y ago
  Before calling it utter rubbish, maybe you should do some research[1]. 1: https://www.europeanneuropsychopharmacology.com/article/S0924-977X(18)30285-2/fulltext https://www.europeanneuropsychopharmacology.com/article/S092...
  - wp381640 8y ago
    That study makes no mention of age groups. People who vape know that flavors make it more attractive, and it's orders of magnitude better than smoking
  - stordoff 8y ago
    That article makes no reference to age groups, and suggests that a sweet taste increases desirability across the board. It seems like a stretch to then say they are targeting a particular age group, especially when the participants in the study were well outside of the alleged age group: > We enrolled 16 occasional/intermittent to light smokers (4 female; M = 27 years, range 19–45; The paper _does_ link to a more to a more targeted study[1], but there is a fairly major limitation ("does not allow direct estimation of flavoring’s role in initiation of tobacco use among youth") and it does not necessarily suggest that flavouring is targeting the young per se and not merely being what users in general are looking for. [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2464690 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2464690
- eric_h 8y ago
  (Warning: anecdata incoming) I know a number of people who have used flavored vapes for nicotine replacement therapy and haven’t had a cigarette in years. But I’ve also met some young people who’ve never smoked who started vaping because it’s “cool” and are now quite addicted to nicotine. Juuls in particular are quite accessible for a non smoker (no getting through the body’s natural reaction to inhaling an irritant combined with being very discreet). I guess I’m saying “why can’t it be both?”
  - NeedMoreTea 8y ago
    Kids smoked cigarettes because it was cool. Now they sometimes vape. I suspect all the cool is from the vaping not because there's a strawberry flavour. When I was in school smoking was cool, but menthol cigs were for wimps. There was often a corner shop near schools that would sell one cig with two matches. Now that was targeting youngsters. I'm sure flavours do make vaping more palatable for everyone, but that's a very long way from those flavours existing to target youngsters. Bizarre things like aerosol and glue sniffing had their phase of being a niche cool thing amongst kids. Seems like the few who must will always find something regardless of flavour or ease. I still occasionally see school kids smoking regular cigarettes. How the hell they afford to beats me at over £10 for a 20 pack. But whether vaping or cigarettes there's far fewer kids bothering at all than say 20 or 40 years ago when it seemed like almost every school kid smoked. Besides I'd far rather a few kids were using a vape pen than those same kids on tobacco with all the additives and vastly worse health outcomes. Vapes are far easier to quit too as tobacco seems to have other more addictive components. Well, that was my feeling from having quit both. I keep hearing of Juul as being something extra, more accessible, worse, more addictive, you name it! How are they different to the dozens of other brands of vapes and ecigs? I've yet to see one in the UK, if they're even sold here.
pessimizer 8y ago
They definitely inadvertently do, because they target marginal users. The weird thing is that ecigs are targeted by prohibitionists at all, because they completely lack everything that is notably bad for your health about cigarettes, and every smoker who switches to them significantly improves their outcomes. I don't think that people who needed their nicotine with candy flavor to tolerate it are switching to smoking in the numbers that smokers are moving in the other direction.

Utter rubbish. Are flavoured boxes of chocolates and flavoured coffee syrups targeting highschoolers too just because they're flavoured? Every vaper and ex-vaper I know or have ever met has used flavoured ecigs, including myself while I was quitting. A whiff of the vapour as they pass is enough to establish if they're using a fruity flavour etc. As I'm in my mid 50s and my friends are mostly 30s-60s I think it's safe to say we're not highschoolers. The one and only time I tried a tobacco flavoured ecig I almost vomited it was so terrible. I think it's a flavour everyone tries as they switch. Tries just the once mostly - they are utterly unlike any cigarette.

yladiz 8y ago
Before calling it utter rubbish, maybe you should do some research[1]. 1: https://www.europeanneuropsychopharmacology.com/article/S0924-977X(18)30285-2/fulltext https://www.europeanneuropsychopharmacology.com/article/S092...
- wp381640 8y ago
  That study makes no mention of age groups. People who vape know that flavors make it more attractive, and it's orders of magnitude better than smoking
- stordoff 8y ago
  That article makes no reference to age groups, and suggests that a sweet taste increases desirability across the board. It seems like a stretch to then say they are targeting a particular age group, especially when the participants in the study were well outside of the alleged age group: > We enrolled 16 occasional/intermittent to light smokers (4 female; M = 27 years, range 19–45; The paper _does_ link to a more to a more targeted study[1], but there is a fairly major limitation ("does not allow direct estimation of flavoring’s role in initiation of tobacco use among youth") and it does not necessarily suggest that flavouring is targeting the young per se and not merely being what users in general are looking for. [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2464690 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2464690
eric_h 8y ago
(Warning: anecdata incoming) I know a number of people who have used flavored vapes for nicotine replacement therapy and haven’t had a cigarette in years. But I’ve also met some young people who’ve never smoked who started vaping because it’s “cool” and are now quite addicted to nicotine. Juuls in particular are quite accessible for a non smoker (no getting through the body’s natural reaction to inhaling an irritant combined with being very discreet). I guess I’m saying “why can’t it be both?”
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  Kids smoked cigarettes because it was cool. Now they sometimes vape. I suspect all the cool is from the vaping not because there's a strawberry flavour. When I was in school smoking was cool, but menthol cigs were for wimps. There was often a corner shop near schools that would sell one cig with two matches. Now that was targeting youngsters. I'm sure flavours do make vaping more palatable for everyone, but that's a very long way from those flavours existing to target youngsters. Bizarre things like aerosol and glue sniffing had their phase of being a niche cool thing amongst kids. Seems like the few who must will always find something regardless of flavour or ease. I still occasionally see school kids smoking regular cigarettes. How the hell they afford to beats me at over £10 for a 20 pack. But whether vaping or cigarettes there's far fewer kids bothering at all than say 20 or 40 years ago when it seemed like almost every school kid smoked. Besides I'd far rather a few kids were using a vape pen than those same kids on tobacco with all the additives and vastly worse health outcomes. Vapes are far easier to quit too as tobacco seems to have other more addictive components. Well, that was my feeling from having quit both. I keep hearing of Juul as being something extra, more accessible, worse, more addictive, you name it! How are they different to the dozens of other brands of vapes and ecigs? I've yet to see one in the UK, if they're even sold here.

pessimizer 8y ago

They definitely inadvertently do, because they target marginal users. The weird thing is that ecigs are targeted by prohibitionists at all, because they completely lack everything that is notably bad for your health about cigarettes, and every smoker who switches to them significantly improves their outcomes. I don't think that people who needed their nicotine with candy flavor to tolerate it are switching to smoking in the numbers that smokers are moving in the other direction.