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At 1/10,000th of a server per each tenant (assuming 10,000 tenants) you can achieve “hard” isolation and far more cpu/memory per tenant using a TinkerBoard or s

At 1/10,000th of a server per each tenant (assuming 10,000 tenants) you can achieve “hard” isolation and far more cpu/memory per tenant using a TinkerBoard or something like that per client and charging a flat $2/mo with no hourly fees. That’s a business model that I see materializing that can eat into your business. EDIT to clarify: I’m assuming they can do 10,000 tenants per server. If they did 1 tenant per 1 TinkerBoard and charged $2/mo for it flat no hourly fee that would be an interesting business model IMO and it achieves hard isolation between tenacts.

geofft 8y ago
I think you're assuming that Cloudflare has only one server?
- discoball 8y ago
  Nope. I’m assuming they can do 10,000 tenants per server. If they did 1 tenant per 1 TinkerBoard and charged $2/mo for it flat no hourly fee that would be an interesting business model IMO and it achieves hard isolation between tenants.
  - geofft 8y ago
    But a Workers customer gets to use more than one of their servers at once....
    - discoball 8y ago
      You can have multiple tenants per low cost edge device. ARM servers are finding so many such applications. Not sure what is the hang up?
kentonv 8y ago
We replicate each tenant to thousands of servers across more than 150 locations worldwide. That's why we need to support so many tenants per server.
- discoball 8y ago
  Ah. I see. TIL something about CDNs. Thanks. Good stuff.
roland-s 8y ago
Scaleway out of France has been doing baremetal cloud nodes for years. I used them during the beta and they are fantastic (despite slight latency due to being in France). Their smallest baremetal node starts at €3/mo for 4 ARM cores/2GB RAM/50GB SSD. Pretty cool infrastructure to be able to auto provision physical nodes on demand, but I think it's a different use case from the whole lightweight serverless processes on demand thing.
- discoball 8y ago
  If only they supported NixOS... I would use them if/when they make the leap.
  - spindle 8y ago
    Are you sure they don't? NixOS can be installed on top of any Linux distribution, unless the hardware is really weird. ETA: It looks like it is complicated, but might work. See https://nixos.wiki/wiki/NixOS_on_ARM/Scaleway_C1 https://nixos.wiki/wiki/NixOS_on_ARM/Scaleway_C1

geofft 8y ago

I think you're assuming that Cloudflare has only one server?

discoball 8y ago
Nope. I’m assuming they can do 10,000 tenants per server. If they did 1 tenant per 1 TinkerBoard and charged $2/mo for it flat no hourly fee that would be an interesting business model IMO and it achieves hard isolation between tenants.
- geofft 8y ago
  But a Workers customer gets to use more than one of their servers at once....
  - discoball 8y ago
    You can have multiple tenants per low cost edge device. ARM servers are finding so many such applications. Not sure what is the hang up?

kentonv 8y ago

We replicate each tenant to thousands of servers across more than 150 locations worldwide. That's why we need to support so many tenants per server.

discoball 8y ago
Ah. I see. TIL something about CDNs. Thanks. Good stuff.

roland-s 8y ago

Scaleway out of France has been doing baremetal cloud nodes for years. I used them during the beta and they are fantastic (despite slight latency due to being in France). Their smallest baremetal node starts at €3/mo for 4 ARM cores/2GB RAM/50GB SSD. Pretty cool infrastructure to be able to auto provision physical nodes on demand, but I think it's a different use case from the whole lightweight serverless processes on demand thing.

discoball 8y ago
If only they supported NixOS... I would use them if/when they make the leap.
- spindle 8y ago
  Are you sure they don't? NixOS can be installed on top of any Linux distribution, unless the hardware is really weird. ETA: It looks like it is complicated, but might work. See https://nixos.wiki/wiki/NixOS_on_ARM/Scaleway_C1 https://nixos.wiki/wiki/NixOS_on_ARM/Scaleway_C1