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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Tiananmen_Square_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Tiananmen_Square_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianjin_Airlines_Flight_7554 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianjin_Airlines_Flight_7554 happy to see there is no more such incident in the last two years.

rospaya 8y ago
Putting people in reeducation camps guarantees more incidents like this.
- throwawayfri11 8y ago
  Interestingly, China's President was also sent to a reeducation camp in the 70s for 6 years and now he is the most powerful person in China.
- paraditedc 8y ago
  Do you have any statistics, theories or anecdotes to support your claim? Afaik, Chinese government had a track record of achieving what they want. If counterterrorism is one of the goals of such program, I would predict positive results, i.e. less violence in the region.
pimmen 8y ago
Are you really sure you want to play this game? Because, while you put the victims of terrorist attacks on your side of the scale I'll go ahead and put the millions of Uighurs who lose basic human rights, hundreds of thousands of which have been imprisoned without a trial, on the other side.
- dis-sys 8y ago
  > Are you really sure you want to play this game? sorry but it is _not_ a game. it is about terrorist attacks happened in the most politically/economically sensitive part of China aimed to destabilize the lives of 1.4 billion average Chinese who has never ever set foot in Xinjiang. Look at the linked Kunming attack incident, it is thousands miles aways from Xinjiang, those killed by terrorists probably never met any Uighur before. It must be sad for you to see that there were no more such Uighur launched terrorist attacks in the last two years? You should seek immediate help if you consider this as a "game". > I'll go ahead and put the millions of Uighurs who lose basic human rights, hundreds of thousands of which have been imprisoned without a trial, on the other side. where is the human rights of 1.4 billion Han Chinese whom for years have been living in the terror of those Uighurs terrorists? I thought the right to live without fear is a part of basic human rights that extend to 1.4 billion Han Chinese as well. or maybe your version of human rights is highly censored?
  - pimmen 8y ago
    If you want to move the attention to my choice of words I won't bite. Are you seriously telling me the fear of terrorist attacks, something that is perpetrated by a tiny minority of Uighurs which has affected a few hundred Chinese, is greater than the fear the millions of Uighurs feel after hundreds of thousands, a sizeable share of their population, has been hauled of to prison without a trial solely based on ethnicity and religion? And, yes, I agree that Chinese people deserve not to fear terrorist attacks which is why I think you should prosecute the indidual terrorists, it does not give you the right to punish the 99.9% other people who have never perpetrated a terrorist attack ever in their lives for having the same religion or ethnicity as the perpetrators. China has signed the declaration of human rights saying that everyone has the right to be tried for crimes as an individual and willfully breaking those rights is a human rights crime, perpetrated by the state. I hope you see a difference between the government abusing human rights and individuals abusing human rights?
    - dis-sys 8y ago
      > If you want to move the attention to my choice of words I won't bite. it is of course a "GAME" for you. the loss of hundreds or thousands of civilian lives are just some random and meaningless numbers in your mind. you have again proved it in your reply. > which has affected a few hundred Chinese "affected" - this is as offensive/stupid as saying 9/11 only "affected" 0.001% of the US population. no wonder gun violence in the US will never be addressed as it only "affects" 0.01% people each year. seriously, get yourself some help. by calling it a "game" and then downplaying those bloody terrorist attacks as just "affecting" a few hundred people, you choose to continue to lecturing me human rights? again - get yourself some help.
      - pimmen 8y ago
        You're goading me by bringing up my choice of words and saying I need help. Understand that I will not entertain it. I can concede that terrorist attacks affect more than the direct victims, but I posit that the rest of China is less affected by the terrorist attacks than the Uighurs are by the mass incarceration of hundreds of thousands of their loved ones without a trial. And I don't lecture, I'm debating. You're avoiding the question of whether or not incarcerating hundreds of thousands of people without a trial is human rights abuses. You're also avoiding the issue of whether or not individuals committing murder is different to governments institutionalizing human rights abuses on an industrial scale. You can keep cutting two sentences from my replies and answering them for how long you like, since you don't address the issues I will have to assume that you concede them.

rospaya 8y ago

Putting people in reeducation camps guarantees more incidents like this.

throwawayfri11 8y ago
Interestingly, China's President was also sent to a reeducation camp in the 70s for 6 years and now he is the most powerful person in China.
paraditedc 8y ago
Do you have any statistics, theories or anecdotes to support your claim? Afaik, Chinese government had a track record of achieving what they want. If counterterrorism is one of the goals of such program, I would predict positive results, i.e. less violence in the region.

pimmen 8y ago

Are you really sure you want to play this game? Because, while you put the victims of terrorist attacks on your side of the scale I'll go ahead and put the millions of Uighurs who lose basic human rights, hundreds of thousands of which have been imprisoned without a trial, on the other side.

dis-sys 8y ago
> Are you really sure you want to play this game? sorry but it is _not_ a game. it is about terrorist attacks happened in the most politically/economically sensitive part of China aimed to destabilize the lives of 1.4 billion average Chinese who has never ever set foot in Xinjiang. Look at the linked Kunming attack incident, it is thousands miles aways from Xinjiang, those killed by terrorists probably never met any Uighur before. It must be sad for you to see that there were no more such Uighur launched terrorist attacks in the last two years? You should seek immediate help if you consider this as a "game". > I'll go ahead and put the millions of Uighurs who lose basic human rights, hundreds of thousands of which have been imprisoned without a trial, on the other side. where is the human rights of 1.4 billion Han Chinese whom for years have been living in the terror of those Uighurs terrorists? I thought the right to live without fear is a part of basic human rights that extend to 1.4 billion Han Chinese as well. or maybe your version of human rights is highly censored?
- pimmen 8y ago
  If you want to move the attention to my choice of words I won't bite. Are you seriously telling me the fear of terrorist attacks, something that is perpetrated by a tiny minority of Uighurs which has affected a few hundred Chinese, is greater than the fear the millions of Uighurs feel after hundreds of thousands, a sizeable share of their population, has been hauled of to prison without a trial solely based on ethnicity and religion? And, yes, I agree that Chinese people deserve not to fear terrorist attacks which is why I think you should prosecute the indidual terrorists, it does not give you the right to punish the 99.9% other people who have never perpetrated a terrorist attack ever in their lives for having the same religion or ethnicity as the perpetrators. China has signed the declaration of human rights saying that everyone has the right to be tried for crimes as an individual and willfully breaking those rights is a human rights crime, perpetrated by the state. I hope you see a difference between the government abusing human rights and individuals abusing human rights?
  - dis-sys 8y ago
    > If you want to move the attention to my choice of words I won't bite. it is of course a "GAME" for you. the loss of hundreds or thousands of civilian lives are just some random and meaningless numbers in your mind. you have again proved it in your reply. > which has affected a few hundred Chinese "affected" - this is as offensive/stupid as saying 9/11 only "affected" 0.001% of the US population. no wonder gun violence in the US will never be addressed as it only "affects" 0.01% people each year. seriously, get yourself some help. by calling it a "game" and then downplaying those bloody terrorist attacks as just "affecting" a few hundred people, you choose to continue to lecturing me human rights? again - get yourself some help.
    - pimmen 8y ago
      You're goading me by bringing up my choice of words and saying I need help. Understand that I will not entertain it. I can concede that terrorist attacks affect more than the direct victims, but I posit that the rest of China is less affected by the terrorist attacks than the Uighurs are by the mass incarceration of hundreds of thousands of their loved ones without a trial. And I don't lecture, I'm debating. You're avoiding the question of whether or not incarcerating hundreds of thousands of people without a trial is human rights abuses. You're also avoiding the issue of whether or not individuals committing murder is different to governments institutionalizing human rights abuses on an industrial scale. You can keep cutting two sentences from my replies and answering them for how long you like, since you don't address the issues I will have to assume that you concede them.