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Sprint is legit garbage, but it is worth noting that even under Wheeler, Net Neutrality rules have never applied to mobile networks. It’s a big reason many of u

Sprint is legit garbage, but it is worth noting that even under Wheeler, Net Neutrality rules have never applied to mobile networks. It’s a big reason many of us were disappointed with the legislation even when it was passed. I’d rather have something than nothing, but mobile carriers have always been expent from NN.

supertrope 8y ago
FYI v1 of NN excluded cellular. Verizon et al sued and the appeals court ruled in their favor. v2 NN was based on a more solid legal foundation of common carrier classification and did not exclude cellular. Thus VZ got tougher rules for their trouble. Until of course Trump won and the FCC reversed itself. NN was a FCC rule, not legislation.
dawnerd 8y ago
Tmobile made this clear to me too when I complained about their older zero-rating policy at the time. It was highly unfair to smaller companies without the means to implement their standards for video.
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  T-mobile customer here who supports zero rating. Their standards are extremely straight forward to implement to zero rate, and there is minimal burden to implement. This was my experience simply as a facilitator to enable a public radio station I enjoy to be zero rated.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Sprint is legit garbage, but it is worth noting that even under Wheeler, Net Neutrality rules have never applied to mobile networks This is simply false. In the 2010 Title I regs, much lighter net neutrality rules were applied to mobile broadband than were applied to fixed broadband; in the 2015 Title II regs essentially the same rules applied to fixed broadband were applied to mobile.
LoSboccacc 8y ago
also worth nothing this study doesn't compare period before and after legislation change, making the whole jab at the administration without merit. sure, dropping the legislation it didn't help, but this is not how you you reach conclusions in scientific research.
tomatotomato37 8y ago
Should it though? Throttling sites on wired connections because your too cheap to replace your customer's copper lines is one thing, but mobile networks have limited bandwidth by nature. The last thing mobile networks want is a tragedy of the commons scenario causing customers to jump ship, because they don't have the "advantage" of guaranteed income from the local monoplies that come with cable-type infrastructure.
0x5f3759df-i 8y ago
This is wrong, the 2015 rules applied the exact same rules to mobile networks as landline ISPs.

supertrope 8y ago

FYI v1 of NN excluded cellular. Verizon et al sued and the appeals court ruled in their favor. v2 NN was based on a more solid legal foundation of common carrier classification and did not exclude cellular. Thus VZ got tougher rules for their trouble. Until of course Trump won and the FCC reversed itself. NN was a FCC rule, not legislation.

dawnerd 8y ago

Tmobile made this clear to me too when I complained about their older zero-rating policy at the time. It was highly unfair to smaller companies without the means to implement their standards for video.

toomuchtodo 8y ago
T-mobile customer here who supports zero rating. Their standards are extremely straight forward to implement to zero rate, and there is minimal burden to implement. This was my experience simply as a facilitator to enable a public radio station I enjoy to be zero rated.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> Sprint is legit garbage, but it is worth noting that even under Wheeler, Net Neutrality rules have never applied to mobile networks This is simply false. In the 2010 Title I regs, much lighter net neutrality rules were applied to mobile broadband than were applied to fixed broadband; in the 2015 Title II regs essentially the same rules applied to fixed broadband were applied to mobile.

LoSboccacc 8y ago

also worth nothing this study doesn't compare period before and after legislation change, making the whole jab at the administration without merit. sure, dropping the legislation it didn't help, but this is not how you you reach conclusions in scientific research.

tomatotomato37 8y ago

Should it though? Throttling sites on wired connections because your too cheap to replace your customer's copper lines is one thing, but mobile networks have limited bandwidth by nature. The last thing mobile networks want is a tragedy of the commons scenario causing customers to jump ship, because they don't have the "advantage" of guaranteed income from the local monoplies that come with cable-type infrastructure.

0x5f3759df-i 8y ago

This is wrong, the 2015 rules applied the exact same rules to mobile networks as landline ISPs.