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Why weren't they interested in making this ten years ago? Too busy cheating on the emissions tests to care about something actually real like lowering the carbo

by Jedi72 8y ago

Why weren't they interested in making this ten years ago? Too busy cheating on the emissions tests to care about something actually real like lowering the carbon foorprint of your vehicles. Tesla forced these companies to do this, plain and simple, so if you're going to clap this it should really be Tesla getting the props.

tomjakubowski 8y ago
Nissan was producing and selling a mass market electric car eight years ago, when Tesla still only had the Roadster.
- icelancer 8y ago
  Tesla didn't sell mass market cars to jumpstart the industry, because that's not what the market wanted, very obviously. Elon correctly predicted the revolution needed to be an order of magnitude better in all competitive areas, not just slightly better or at par.
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  - rohit2412 8y ago
    > Elon correctly predicted the revolution needed to be an order of magnitude better in all competitive areas, not just slightly better or at par. I don't think they are an order of magnitude better. Elon currently predicted that a personality cult and lies about futuristic capability sell cars
    - icelancer 8y ago
      > I don't think they are an order of magnitude better. Elon didn't require rohit2412 to think this, fortunately. Just everyone else.
- giancarlostoro 8y ago
  Heck, there was GM's EV1 from the 90's. But apparently you were not allowed to own the damn thing, but people who leased it loved it. Maintenance wasn't a total mess apparently. Interesting car to look into. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1
  - rohit2412 8y ago
    They cancelled it because it wasn't a profitable program. Not enough people loved it enough to lease it.
mywittyname 8y ago
At minimum, Tesla took the leap of faith that everyone else was afraid to. I think it's difficult for the board members of traditional car companies to justify serious investment in EVs just 10 years ago. The major auto makers are heavily reliant on their supplier network in order to build cars. And the suppliers can't survive selling parts to just one manufacture, most of them need to sell to at least three automakers to survive. This is how the industry ends up Takata airbags / Bosch fuel pumps in half the cars sold in USDM/EUDM. It's hard to justify paying a supplier to develop technology you know they will license to the competition, but it's also risky to start developing battery tech independently. So most companies just bought what was available on the market. The original founders of Tesla knew this, which is why they licensed Lotus/Toyota parts and focused development on their own batteries and engines.
Neil44 8y ago
Ten years ago they were busy making billions producing what the market wanted to buy, as was their duty to the shareholders.
- jacobush 8y ago
  That, and cheating.
rohit2412 8y ago
Because it couldn't be made 10 years ago. Look okay any chart of battery prices, and no, tesla is not responsible for them falling.

by Jedi72 8y ago

tomjakubowski 8y ago

Nissan was producing and selling a mass market electric car eight years ago, when Tesla still only had the Roadster.

icelancer 8y ago
Tesla didn't sell mass market cars to jumpstart the industry, because that's not what the market wanted, very obviously. Elon correctly predicted the revolution needed to be an order of magnitude better in all competitive areas, not just slightly better or at par.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- rohit2412 8y ago
  > Elon correctly predicted the revolution needed to be an order of magnitude better in all competitive areas, not just slightly better or at par. I don't think they are an order of magnitude better. Elon currently predicted that a personality cult and lies about futuristic capability sell cars
  - icelancer 8y ago
    > I don't think they are an order of magnitude better. Elon didn't require rohit2412 to think this, fortunately. Just everyone else.
giancarlostoro 8y ago
Heck, there was GM's EV1 from the 90's. But apparently you were not allowed to own the damn thing, but people who leased it loved it. Maintenance wasn't a total mess apparently. Interesting car to look into. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1
- rohit2412 8y ago
  They cancelled it because it wasn't a profitable program. Not enough people loved it enough to lease it.

mywittyname 8y ago

At minimum, Tesla took the leap of faith that everyone else was afraid to. I think it's difficult for the board members of traditional car companies to justify serious investment in EVs just 10 years ago. The major auto makers are heavily reliant on their supplier network in order to build cars. And the suppliers can't survive selling parts to just one manufacture, most of them need to sell to at least three automakers to survive. This is how the industry ends up Takata airbags / Bosch fuel pumps in half the cars sold in USDM/EUDM. It's hard to justify paying a supplier to develop technology you know they will license to the competition, but it's also risky to start developing battery tech independently. So most companies just bought what was available on the market. The original founders of Tesla knew this, which is why they licensed Lotus/Toyota parts and focused development on their own batteries and engines.

Neil44 8y ago

Ten years ago they were busy making billions producing what the market wanted to buy, as was their duty to the shareholders.

jacobush 8y ago
That, and cheating.

rohit2412 8y ago

Because it couldn't be made 10 years ago. Look okay any chart of battery prices, and no, tesla is not responsible for them falling.