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> With the advances in treatments for cardiovascular disease couldn't the problem just be harder? I'm pretty sure we have no significant advances in the treatm

> With the advances in treatments for cardiovascular disease couldn't the problem just be harder? I'm pretty sure we have no significant advances in the treatment of cardiovascular disease. And given the alarmingly climbing rates of chronic diseases, e.g. cardiovascular disease, diabetes, obesity, cancer, I'm also pretty sure that the health care industry has done more harm than good when it comes to chronic diseases. For everything else, for problems they can measure and treat with a pill, sure, I'm no anti-vaxxer, but they failed hard at chronic diseases, promoting cures and guidelines that did more harm than good.

JauntyHatAngle 8y ago
>And given the alarmingly climbing rates of chronic diseases, e.g. cardiovascular disease, diabetes, obesity, cancer, I'm also pretty sure that the health care industry has done more harm than good when it comes to chronic diseases. I mean, can't this be attributed to other things too? (The way people live has changed in the past 20 years...) I'd rather see some studies to show if/why those things have spiked rather than disavowing attempts to help it. What else are we supposed to do?
epistasis 8y ago
Definitely not accusing you of being an anti-vaxxer, but I would love to hear your sources for some of your statements, because they contradict the data that I've seen. Searching now again, everything I'm finding is showing really big improvements in mortality from cardiovascular disease. Recent US outcomes: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2530559 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/... US & New York State outcomes 1980-2007, Figure 2: https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/cardiovascular/heart_disease/docs/cvd_mortality.pdf https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/cardiovascular/heart_dise... I haven't hit the major mortality sources, but these bits match everything else I've heard. I'd also like to know the basis for asserting that the health care industry doing more harm than good.

JauntyHatAngle 8y ago

>And given the alarmingly climbing rates of chronic diseases, e.g. cardiovascular disease, diabetes, obesity, cancer, I'm also pretty sure that the health care industry has done more harm than good when it comes to chronic diseases. I mean, can't this be attributed to other things too? (The way people live has changed in the past 20 years...) I'd rather see some studies to show if/why those things have spiked rather than disavowing attempts to help it. What else are we supposed to do?

epistasis 8y ago

Definitely not accusing you of being an anti-vaxxer, but I would love to hear your sources for some of your statements, because they contradict the data that I've seen. Searching now again, everything I'm finding is showing really big improvements in mortality from cardiovascular disease. Recent US outcomes: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2530559 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/... US & New York State outcomes 1980-2007, Figure 2: https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/cardiovascular/heart_disease/docs/cvd_mortality.pdf https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/cardiovascular/heart_dise... I haven't hit the major mortality sources, but these bits match everything else I've heard. I'd also like to know the basis for asserting that the health care industry doing more harm than good.