7 ms·
> Wouldn't getting fired be a more appropriate penalty? no.
by jahlove 8y ago
> Wouldn't getting fired be a more appropriate penalty?
no.
- craftyguy 8y agoCare to explain why you think not?
- jahlove 8y agoTerminating an employee for cause is a big deal. Sexual harassment is worthy of termination. Failing to take sexual harassment training is not.
- favorited 8y agoConsistently failing to take training required by your employer is absolutely grounds for termination.
- jahlove 8y agoHis suggestion wasn't about consistent failure. He said that employees should be fired if they don't take it, which is absurdly heavy handed.
- CamTin 8y agoWhy? Your boss tells you to do something. You either do it, or she fires you. If you expect anything different, you are deluded.
- shittyadmin 8y agoEh, my workplace isn't like that, my management is happy to entertain my pushbacks to a point. If it was like that I'd quit in a heartbeat.
- atq2119 8y agoSure. But I don't think anybody is talking about immediate firings without warning here. If your manager keeps telling you, you have to do X, for a month and you simply refuse to do it, they'd be quite right to fire you.
- craftyguy 8y agoI didn't have any suggestions, I merely asked for the counter argument to the idea.
- reaperducer 8y agoSince when do employees get to choose which trainings they will and will not take? We have this training. Along with privacy training, and lots of other trainings. You take the trainings that HR lays out. If you want to play a game of pick-and-choose, then you're shown the door.
- 01100011 8y agoHave you ever been through sexual harassment training? Did you feel like it was helpful? I've been through several and found that no one really takes it seriously. If the things they tell you in sexual harassment training are new to you, you probably aren't going to learn your lesson. Problem employees aren't going to change their behavior. Enforcement of standards is much more critical. Sexual harassment training is a CYA move by companies.
- lallysingh 8y agoI think it's helpful if you come from a different culture where some of those things would be considered acceptable.
- adamrezich 8y agoCan you give a concrete example of this? I'm having a hard time imagining it.
- mynameishere 8y agoAre there a lot of people asking intentionally daft questions in this thread? "Gee willikers Wally, shouldn't we fire people for missing the highly informative HR-mandated 'be polite' video?" No? "Really? Gee, Willikers, why not?" Anyway. These things have been a complete joke for a long time: https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/tv-funhouse-sexual-harassment-and-you/2751966 https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/tv-funhouse-se...
- praneshp 8y agoIf you're referring to `adamrezich`, then I can second that I had the same question. I'm probably daft, but not intentionally so.
- lallysingh 8y agoRepeatedly asking a woman out. I recall a friend upsetting a love interest because he didn't repeatedly ask her out, as was customary where she was from. She didn't think he was serious because he wasn't trying hard enough. Not ok here, but different in other places.
- michaelt 8y agoWhy would you fire a competent, productive employee for noncompliance if you could completely correct the noncompliance with a medium-sized slap on the wrist?
- reaperducer 8y agoBecause not attending the class makes them a million-dollar liability and a hazard to the company.
- michaelt 8y agoIf you think sending people on a training course eliminates the company's liability, I've got bad news for you.
- reaperducer 8y agoI said nothing about eliminates. But not having the training makes the employee a five million dollar liability.