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> There's pretty much no problem that given a large thoughtful effort, technology has not solved. Technology has failed over and over to provide an accountable

> There's pretty much no problem that given a large thoughtful effort, technology has not solved. Technology has failed over and over to provide an accountable, verifiable, and secure election process.

munificent 8y ago
The technology for elections is there. It's people who have failed to get it in use.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  > The technology for elections is there But not technology that guarantees what I mentioned previously. > It's people who have failed to get it in use. Some have, but some have resisted, for good reason too, because it fails to guarantee the things I mentioned previously.
dumbfoundded 8y ago
No it hasn't. Paper works great. So great in fact, many security experts recommend returning to a paper backup system (1). The reason we don't have a secure election process is because no one with the power to do anything has any incentive to fix it (a bit of an over-generalization). (1) https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/05/opinions/to-keep-our-votes-safe-check-and-check-again-richardson-burke/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/05/opinions/to-keep-our-votes-sa...
- craftyguy 8y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18408717 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18408717
- WalterBright 8y ago
  Washington state has an excellent system where all ballots are on paper and are mailed in. It's not perfect, there was a gubernatorial election where they kept "recounting" and "finding" more ballots until the correct person won, but it's a lot harder to corrupt than those hackable electronic machines.
- nickvanhoog 8y ago
  That's the point. How does technology solve that incentive problem?
tomatotomato37 8y ago
Technology != Computers Mass producable pens and paper, decent locks, and nationwide logistic networks have made elections accountable, verifiable, and secure decades ago.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  > Technology != Computers In this context (an article written by Google's CEO, about technology on computers), it arguably does. By being pedantic, you might as well extend technology to everything up to, and including creating fire and making very basic hand tools. The article clearly isn't about that.
  - dumbfoundded 8y ago
    You should google technology then. It obviously includes every tool and yes, even fire. Do you think rocket ships are technology? If you're saying computer technology has failed to solve election validity, that's a fair observation. It probably could if it was done correctly but the government has their best CS people working on spying on us while our elections are outsourced to idiots.

munificent 8y ago

The technology for elections is there. It's people who have failed to get it in use.

craftyguy 8y ago
> The technology for elections is there But not technology that guarantees what I mentioned previously. > It's people who have failed to get it in use. Some have, but some have resisted, for good reason too, because it fails to guarantee the things I mentioned previously.

dumbfoundded 8y ago

No it hasn't. Paper works great. So great in fact, many security experts recommend returning to a paper backup system (1). The reason we don't have a secure election process is because no one with the power to do anything has any incentive to fix it (a bit of an over-generalization). (1) https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/05/opinions/to-keep-our-votes-safe-check-and-check-again-richardson-burke/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/05/opinions/to-keep-our-votes-sa...

craftyguy 8y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18408717 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18408717
WalterBright 8y ago
Washington state has an excellent system where all ballots are on paper and are mailed in. It's not perfect, there was a gubernatorial election where they kept "recounting" and "finding" more ballots until the correct person won, but it's a lot harder to corrupt than those hackable electronic machines.
nickvanhoog 8y ago
That's the point. How does technology solve that incentive problem?

tomatotomato37 8y ago

Technology != Computers Mass producable pens and paper, decent locks, and nationwide logistic networks have made elections accountable, verifiable, and secure decades ago.

craftyguy 8y ago
> Technology != Computers In this context (an article written by Google's CEO, about technology on computers), it arguably does. By being pedantic, you might as well extend technology to everything up to, and including creating fire and making very basic hand tools. The article clearly isn't about that.
- dumbfoundded 8y ago
  You should google technology then. It obviously includes every tool and yes, even fire. Do you think rocket ships are technology? If you're saying computer technology has failed to solve election validity, that's a fair observation. It probably could if it was done correctly but the government has their best CS people working on spying on us while our elections are outsourced to idiots.