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The fact that it's electric is not even close to the only advantage that Tesla's cars have over ICE cars. Tesla turned the car into a software problem, and I w

by leesec 8y ago

The fact that it's electric is not even close to the only advantage that Tesla's cars have over ICE cars. Tesla turned the car into a software problem, and I would argue they have demonstrated they are WAY WAY ahead of the major OEM's at software and in the infrastructure supporting it. Not to mention extremely sleek and well loved design, autopilot, etc. To just make a Camry electric won't be enough ( though it definitely will take some of the market share ).

thesimon 8y ago
>autopilot Other than marketing, are they really ahead of the competition?
- leesec 8y ago
  Which competition are we talking about? GM Supercruise is the only other thing on the market that is comparable, and with Nav on Autopilot I'd argue Tesla is a fair bit ahead. Maybe they are not ahead of Waymo, but can you buy a Waymo? If not then when will you be able to? There is Comma.ai which I am impressed with and think will be the general autonomous solution to many (most?) non-Tesla cars going forward, but their product at the moment is for hobbyists and not consumers.
hcg 8y ago
> Tesla turned the car into a software problem No, they convinced fanboys that they turned it into a software problem. The reality is they are no different than any other auto manufacturer. Being in Silicon Valley doesn't change that. An electric Camry would sell so much more than the model 3.
- leesec 8y ago
  What are you talking about? They have turned it into a software problem. Name another company where you can make meaningful over the air software updates that affect more than the dashboard? Also while I am a Tesla fanboy, I work in automotive technology and interface with many of the major car companies daily, so I'm not just getting this from articles.
  - hcg 8y ago
    If the airbags have a problem which causes them to hurt shrapnel into peoples faces you can't fix that with a software update. and why is being able to push updates to heavy machinery that we routinely have moving at speeds of 60+ MPH a good thing? If you can fix the brakes via software update you can break them too. I'm fine with it if someone going to prison when a software update kills people.
    - leesec 8y ago
      The alternative is having to take your vehicle in to get the brakes fixed.

by leesec 8y ago

thesimon 8y ago

>autopilot Other than marketing, are they really ahead of the competition?

leesec 8y ago
Which competition are we talking about? GM Supercruise is the only other thing on the market that is comparable, and with Nav on Autopilot I'd argue Tesla is a fair bit ahead. Maybe they are not ahead of Waymo, but can you buy a Waymo? If not then when will you be able to? There is Comma.ai which I am impressed with and think will be the general autonomous solution to many (most?) non-Tesla cars going forward, but their product at the moment is for hobbyists and not consumers.

hcg 8y ago

> Tesla turned the car into a software problem No, they convinced fanboys that they turned it into a software problem. The reality is they are no different than any other auto manufacturer. Being in Silicon Valley doesn't change that. An electric Camry would sell so much more than the model 3.

leesec 8y ago
What are you talking about? They have turned it into a software problem. Name another company where you can make meaningful over the air software updates that affect more than the dashboard? Also while I am a Tesla fanboy, I work in automotive technology and interface with many of the major car companies daily, so I'm not just getting this from articles.
- hcg 8y ago
  If the airbags have a problem which causes them to hurt shrapnel into peoples faces you can't fix that with a software update. and why is being able to push updates to heavy machinery that we routinely have moving at speeds of 60+ MPH a good thing? If you can fix the brakes via software update you can break them too. I'm fine with it if someone going to prison when a software update kills people.
  - leesec 8y ago
    The alternative is having to take your vehicle in to get the brakes fixed.