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Yep. We need government, because without government nobody would save us from the abuses of copyright law, enforced by the government! And let's not forget, the

Yep. We need government, because without government nobody would save us from the abuses of copyright law, enforced by the government! And let's not forget, there is no competition - because the ISP has a legal monopoly, also enforced by the government. Yep, government regulation sounds great. /s

pavel_lishin 8y ago
This story is very specifically about a corporation enforcing those laws.
eiaoa 8y ago
> Yep. We need government, because without government nobody would save us from the abuses of copyright law, enforced by the government! That's an entirely different issue from what I was commenting on. > And let's not forget, there is no competition - because the ISP has a legal monopoly, also enforced by the government. You're forgetting that ISPs are natural monopolies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly: >> "A natural monopoly is a monopoly in an industry in which high infrastructural costs and other barriers to entry relative to the size of the market give the largest supplier in an industry, often the first supplier in a market, an overwhelming advantage over potential competitors. This frequently occurs in industries where capital costs predominate, creating economies of scale that are large in relation to the size of the market; examples include public utilities such as water services and electricity.[1] Natural monopolies were discussed as a potential source of market failure by John Stuart Mill, who advocated government regulation to make them serve the public good." > Yep, government regulation sounds great. /s You're right, it does sound great; especially when you remove the blinders of misunderstanding. Admittedly, it's not entirely without it's own problems, but those problems are best solved without re-introducing the problems that regulation successfully mitigates.
ctoth 8y ago
Please do educate me as to how the government enforces a geographic monopoly.
- zzzcpan 8y ago
  Despite popular belief, ISPs are not geographical monopolies at all. When they are monopolies, they are purely artificially formed ones, like in the US.

pavel_lishin 8y ago

This story is very specifically about a corporation enforcing those laws.

eiaoa 8y ago

> Yep. We need government, because without government nobody would save us from the abuses of copyright law, enforced by the government! That's an entirely different issue from what I was commenting on. > And let's not forget, there is no competition - because the ISP has a legal monopoly, also enforced by the government. You're forgetting that ISPs are natural monopolies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly: >> "A natural monopoly is a monopoly in an industry in which high infrastructural costs and other barriers to entry relative to the size of the market give the largest supplier in an industry, often the first supplier in a market, an overwhelming advantage over potential competitors. This frequently occurs in industries where capital costs predominate, creating economies of scale that are large in relation to the size of the market; examples include public utilities such as water services and electricity.[1] Natural monopolies were discussed as a potential source of market failure by John Stuart Mill, who advocated government regulation to make them serve the public good." > Yep, government regulation sounds great. /s You're right, it does sound great; especially when you remove the blinders of misunderstanding. Admittedly, it's not entirely without it's own problems, but those problems are best solved without re-introducing the problems that regulation successfully mitigates.

ctoth 8y ago

Please do educate me as to how the government enforces a geographic monopoly.

zzzcpan 8y ago
Despite popular belief, ISPs are not geographical monopolies at all. When they are monopolies, they are purely artificially formed ones, like in the US.