As for voting machines, I don't know, I cannot know - and, luckily, in my jurisdiction they don't exist. I'd be happy with voting machines if all they did was

As for voting machines, I don't know, I cannot know - and, luckily, in my jurisdiction they don't exist. I'd be happy with voting machines if all they did was keep a running tally - have them print a ballot, have the voter deposit this ballot in an urn - if the result (gotten from the voting machine as the polls close) is disputed, recount the paper ballots, end of discussion. As for the second part, I misread your initial post -apologies.