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As an Estonian who has voted online and via mobile ID for years, couldn't imagine going to vote in a physical location, using pen and paper.

nabla9 8y ago
What is your attitude towards significant percentage of population loses their freedom to cast vote independently (often women). Is coercion or vote buying acceptable trade off for mild inconvenience?
Quarrelsome 8y ago
As someone who is about to claim Estonian citizenship I am horrified that a nation that borders Russia with a relatively significant ethnic Russian community even has online voting. I like how bold Estonia is on some things but I feel like this has to be scaled back. Given the population, all it takes is some heavy Russian language propaganda combined with some low key attacks to tip the result in the way you want.
wasdfff 8y ago
Pen and paper is hardly done in the US except provisionally. All my votes were cast on a touchscreen with a printed paper recipes that I could look at and confirm of my choice. The paper ballot is kept by the board of elections. Whose to stop bad actors from manipulating electronic votes? Whose to say your vote was even tallied? It is far easier to manipulate elections electronically. If Russian operatives are able to penetrate election systems in the behemoth of the US, do you feel confident that they are leaving your Estonian system in their immediate sphere of influence alone? It would potentially take one engineer and one computer to manipulate an electronic election. It would take a team of people, equipment, trucks, incinerators, fake ballots, whatever to do the same manipulation to millions of physical paper ballots stored in secure facilities.
- octorian 8y ago
  > Pen and paper is hardly done in the US except provisionally. Every state in the US can have a different system in place for the actual voting process. These systems also change over time. Pen and paper is used in plenty of the US, just not necessarily in your district. Of course the pen-and-paper system is designed to be electronically scanned, at least.

nabla9 8y ago

What is your attitude towards significant percentage of population loses their freedom to cast vote independently (often women). Is coercion or vote buying acceptable trade off for mild inconvenience?

Quarrelsome 8y ago

As someone who is about to claim Estonian citizenship I am horrified that a nation that borders Russia with a relatively significant ethnic Russian community even has online voting. I like how bold Estonia is on some things but I feel like this has to be scaled back. Given the population, all it takes is some heavy Russian language propaganda combined with some low key attacks to tip the result in the way you want.

wasdfff 8y ago

Pen and paper is hardly done in the US except provisionally. All my votes were cast on a touchscreen with a printed paper recipes that I could look at and confirm of my choice. The paper ballot is kept by the board of elections. Whose to stop bad actors from manipulating electronic votes? Whose to say your vote was even tallied? It is far easier to manipulate elections electronically. If Russian operatives are able to penetrate election systems in the behemoth of the US, do you feel confident that they are leaving your Estonian system in their immediate sphere of influence alone? It would potentially take one engineer and one computer to manipulate an electronic election. It would take a team of people, equipment, trucks, incinerators, fake ballots, whatever to do the same manipulation to millions of physical paper ballots stored in secure facilities.

octorian 8y ago
> Pen and paper is hardly done in the US except provisionally. Every state in the US can have a different system in place for the actual voting process. These systems also change over time. Pen and paper is used in plenty of the US, just not necessarily in your district. Of course the pen-and-paper system is designed to be electronically scanned, at least.