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I also came here with a similar sentiment that I was expecting would be echoed by someone else in this thread. As an Eagle Scout who participated in a co-ed Ve

I also came here with a similar sentiment that I was expecting would be echoed by someone else in this thread. As an Eagle Scout who participated in a co-ed Venture Crew, I think it’s a good step forward for the BSA organization. People in the thread have mentioned some possible issues with co-Ed integration, and while it has its issues, I firmly believe on the whole that it’s a net good for the organization. I won’t speak for the plight of the Girl Scouts organization, who undoubtedly has done a lot of good and has always been the more progressive of the two organizations, but I can at least say that the BSA has done decently well to adapt to the current times given the immense sort of political pressures they have been under over the past 50 years. I have a lot of value and memories of my time in the Scouts and given the changes they have implemented after various scandals over the years I can confidently say that they are at least interested in fixing long running issues unlike other organizations such as the Catholic Church who are more willing to ostrich-head-in-the-sand away something when nastiness emerges.

taeric 8y ago
Comparing to the church is.... Interesting. Aren't the boy scouts more associated with the church? More to the point, if they really want to embrace change, embrace their name. Don't dilute it to a generic one that also has reputation with another organisation. I say that as someone that believes in redemption. Hiding behind another banner doesn't strike as redemptive behaviour. :( Edit: similarly, deceptive tactics such as pretending this is about something other than the name dilution doesn't scream good faith.
- leejoramo 8y ago
  Boy Scout Tripp’s are often (usually?) Sponsored by a local religious organization. They do have other types of sponsors such as civic organizations. My troop in the 1980s was sponsored by the local Lions Club. The local troops can have very different attitudes about beliefs in god (or the lack of), sexual orientation, the environment, etc
  - taeric 8y ago
    Right. And I don't mean that to be a damning claim on my part. Large organizations love hiding behind the claims that most local branches are not corrupt/outdated/whatever. And to a large extent, I agree with that. A problem, is this can essentially be seen as enabling the so called "fat cats" at the top to hide their hypocrisies behind the local orgs. That is, it is an incredibly enabling behavior. And I view it as basically equivalent between the two. (Of course, there is also the direct comparison that many of the boy scout troops were directly working with and benefiting from the organization called out as "having their heads in the sand.")

taeric 8y ago

Comparing to the church is.... Interesting. Aren't the boy scouts more associated with the church? More to the point, if they really want to embrace change, embrace their name. Don't dilute it to a generic one that also has reputation with another organisation. I say that as someone that believes in redemption. Hiding behind another banner doesn't strike as redemptive behaviour. :( Edit: similarly, deceptive tactics such as pretending this is about something other than the name dilution doesn't scream good faith.

leejoramo 8y ago
Boy Scout Tripp’s are often (usually?) Sponsored by a local religious organization. They do have other types of sponsors such as civic organizations. My troop in the 1980s was sponsored by the local Lions Club. The local troops can have very different attitudes about beliefs in god (or the lack of), sexual orientation, the environment, etc
- taeric 8y ago
  Right. And I don't mean that to be a damning claim on my part. Large organizations love hiding behind the claims that most local branches are not corrupt/outdated/whatever. And to a large extent, I agree with that. A problem, is this can essentially be seen as enabling the so called "fat cats" at the top to hide their hypocrisies behind the local orgs. That is, it is an incredibly enabling behavior. And I view it as basically equivalent between the two. (Of course, there is also the direct comparison that many of the boy scout troops were directly working with and benefiting from the organization called out as "having their heads in the sand.")