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The real fear is that one person makes it out of the area and into another part of the world, similar to what happened in Dallas. The more people are infected i

The real fear is that one person makes it out of the area and into another part of the world, similar to what happened in Dallas. The more people are infected in that area the more the odds of escape go up. Any place in the world can wind up with an outbreak within a short time. Given the response of the hospital in Dallas, it's very likely most medical facilities would not recognize Ebola before transmission had already occurred.

ams6110 8y ago
I'd think (hope?) that any hospital ER is trained to recognize hemorragic fever when it presents.
- irq11 8y ago
  It looks like a case of the flu when it first presents. Unless you have a specific reason to suspect Ebola, you wouldn’t suspect it.
- ashildr 8y ago
  Whether the patient will see a doctor in the early or late stages of Their Ebola infection will depend on whether they have health insurance. So here’s another reason for socialized healthcare.
  - the-red-herring 8y ago
    Socialized healthcare doesn't really apply here. Regardless of whether or not the healthcare is free, people still go see a doctor anyway.
    - amazingman 8y ago
      Even if this point were granted, the timeline is the issue at hand. When cost is an immediate and pressing concern, people delay the decision to seek out medical attention.
    - watersb 8y ago
      Disagree. I have many family members who I cannot convinvce to go to a doctor, for thay are terrified of financial ruin. Literally will not go near a healthcare facility. Then there are the family and acquaintances who go to the hospital Emergency Room, because although they have no insurance, an Emergency facility is generally required to treat them. On one hand, we have people who do not receive routine care, who only seek healthcare long after a point where early diagnosis or treatment would have been inexpensive. On the other hand, we have people who use a military-grade triage center for flu symptoms. Both situations are ruinously expensive. And continue to contribute to trillion-dollar government-budget shortfalls. To say nothing of the inevitable, preventable zombie apocalypse.
  - newbrict 8y ago
    I don't want to pay my insurance deductible... Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem... I'd be much more interested in everyone paying a reasonable amount like it was decades ago
    - headShrinker 8y ago
      > Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem... This is terribly misconstruing the facts. They get to go to ER treatement only, no midterm care. The problem is if they don’t pay, their credit record is heavily penalized. This may seem like nothing but for someone with out money or means it spells a quick down hill slide to homelessness. No problem =/= homeless FYI the #1 cause of home foreclosures in the US is medical bills
      - PopeDotNinja 8y ago
        > This is terribly misconstruing the facts When you're broke, you're broke. Just because you have health insurance doesn't mean you can afford to use it. I had better healthcare as a homeless person than as a massively indebted recent college grad with a health plan through work.
        caseyscottmckay 8y ago
        How did you have better healthcare as a homeless person than through your employer? Like what were the numbers (e.g., monthly cost, deductibles, prescription cost, co-pays, and coverage). This is hard to believe. If you're referring to EMTALA requiring emergency rooms stabilize all patients, (1) EMTALA applies to everyone, and (2) EMTALA is not healthcare.
        PopeDotNinja 8y ago
        Medi-Cal was free. Basically everything covered on Medi-Cal was free, or super cheap, and it covered a lot. While on my health insurance plan provided by work, the job where I wasn't making enough money to save or meet my deductible, I got into a bicycle accident & ended up with a $50,000 USD out-of-network hospital bill. In case you don't know, one of the reasons that some chronically homeless people don't have healthcare is that many don't bother to get it. There's guy in my neighborhood that told me he hasn't gone (but probably should go) to our local government to get his $100-ish/month, food stamps, and healthcare. Also, he ends up in a local emergency room because someone calls an ambulance when he's drunk, passed, and shaking out on the sidewalk. I've called an ambulance a few times for people in that state myself. He also ends up in the emergency room because he routinely gets assaulted while sleeping on the street because there's are not enough shelters for him.
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Consultant32452 8y ago
I'm beginning to think there's a Bill Burr bit for every scenario. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Wa98LW-ZU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Wa98LW-ZU

ams6110 8y ago

I'd think (hope?) that any hospital ER is trained to recognize hemorragic fever when it presents.

irq11 8y ago
It looks like a case of the flu when it first presents. Unless you have a specific reason to suspect Ebola, you wouldn’t suspect it.
ashildr 8y ago
Whether the patient will see a doctor in the early or late stages of Their Ebola infection will depend on whether they have health insurance. So here’s another reason for socialized healthcare.
- the-red-herring 8y ago
  Socialized healthcare doesn't really apply here. Regardless of whether or not the healthcare is free, people still go see a doctor anyway.
  - amazingman 8y ago
    Even if this point were granted, the timeline is the issue at hand. When cost is an immediate and pressing concern, people delay the decision to seek out medical attention.
  - watersb 8y ago
    Disagree. I have many family members who I cannot convinvce to go to a doctor, for thay are terrified of financial ruin. Literally will not go near a healthcare facility. Then there are the family and acquaintances who go to the hospital Emergency Room, because although they have no insurance, an Emergency facility is generally required to treat them. On one hand, we have people who do not receive routine care, who only seek healthcare long after a point where early diagnosis or treatment would have been inexpensive. On the other hand, we have people who use a military-grade triage center for flu symptoms. Both situations are ruinously expensive. And continue to contribute to trillion-dollar government-budget shortfalls. To say nothing of the inevitable, preventable zombie apocalypse.
- newbrict 8y ago
  I don't want to pay my insurance deductible... Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem... I'd be much more interested in everyone paying a reasonable amount like it was decades ago
  - headShrinker 8y ago
    > Many people "worse off" than me pay nothing and get to go to the hospital no problem... This is terribly misconstruing the facts. They get to go to ER treatement only, no midterm care. The problem is if they don’t pay, their credit record is heavily penalized. This may seem like nothing but for someone with out money or means it spells a quick down hill slide to homelessness. No problem =/= homeless FYI the #1 cause of home foreclosures in the US is medical bills
    - PopeDotNinja 8y ago
      > This is terribly misconstruing the facts When you're broke, you're broke. Just because you have health insurance doesn't mean you can afford to use it. I had better healthcare as a homeless person than as a massively indebted recent college grad with a health plan through work.
      - caseyscottmckay 8y ago
        How did you have better healthcare as a homeless person than through your employer? Like what were the numbers (e.g., monthly cost, deductibles, prescription cost, co-pays, and coverage). This is hard to believe. If you're referring to EMTALA requiring emergency rooms stabilize all patients, (1) EMTALA applies to everyone, and (2) EMTALA is not healthcare.
        PopeDotNinja 8y ago
        Medi-Cal was free. Basically everything covered on Medi-Cal was free, or super cheap, and it covered a lot. While on my health insurance plan provided by work, the job where I wasn't making enough money to save or meet my deductible, I got into a bicycle accident & ended up with a $50,000 USD out-of-network hospital bill. In case you don't know, one of the reasons that some chronically homeless people don't have healthcare is that many don't bother to get it. There's guy in my neighborhood that told me he hasn't gone (but probably should go) to our local government to get his $100-ish/month, food stamps, and healthcare. Also, he ends up in a local emergency room because someone calls an ambulance when he's drunk, passed, and shaking out on the sidewalk. I've called an ambulance a few times for people in that state myself. He also ends up in the emergency room because he routinely gets assaulted while sleeping on the street because there's are not enough shelters for him.
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Consultant32452 8y ago

I'm beginning to think there's a Bill Burr bit for every scenario. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Wa98LW-ZU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Wa98LW-ZU