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Seems like a bigger problem than a bunch of migrants slowly walking towards the southern border.

by bluetwo 8y ago

Lolibturd 8y ago
Spin it!
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yanoz 8y ago
This doesn't seem like a problem to the welfare of Americans at all, while the caravan is. I presume that's the reason it's not in the news. Also the Ebola scare was already sold back in the day and in the end nothing important happened, so it's going to be hard to sell this. (If you're going to downvote please provide an argument, thanks.)
- craftyguy 8y ago
  > This doesn't seem like a problem to the welfare of Americans at all, while the caravan is. [citation needed] Immigration is pretty much required for a healthy economy[0] 0. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2017-07-10/economic-statistics-suggest-immigration-is-a-boost-to-the-us-economy https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2017-07-...
  - yanoz 8y ago
    "better for the economy" doesn't always translate to better lives for the laymen. Also you have to understand some people don't want immigrants at all. But I was just giving a reason as to why this isn't on the media. No point on making this political.
    - craftyguy 8y ago
      > "better for the economy" doesn't always translate to better lives for the laymen. It arguably does far more times than it doesn't. > Also you have to understand some people don't want immigrants at all. Putting aside the fact that 99% of the time they are decedents of immigrants, I've yet to hear one compelling reason why they should be taken seriously.
      - yanoz 8y ago
        Whether you think that they should be taken seriously or not is irrelevant; they are citizens with a right to vote so their concerns are valid. Not taking people seriously and not listening to them over uncontrolled immigration is what led to Brexit. It is a serious problem for many people for a variety of reasons.
        natch 8y ago
        Having a right to vote does not automatically make all concerns, including false and deluded ones, valid. Yes concerns should be listened to, and if the people have utterly ludicrous concerns, the people should be educated.
      - lamarpye 8y ago
        "Consent of the governed?" EDIT: Good to see the down votes
      - housingpost 8y ago
        I see that you’re not making any distinction between legal controlled immigration and illegal uncontrolled immigration. I think it’s arguable that illegal uncontrolled immigration is worse, and I’d start the argument by pointing to the condition of various communities in the United States that have the highest percentages of illegal immigrants.
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    - tzakrajs 8y ago
      Actually, the way we gain quorum on what is better for the laymen is an incredibly political subject.
  - lamarpye 8y ago
    Sure. We have a huge shortage of unskilled labor in the US, if this shortage isn't addressed, it might put upward pressure on wages for unskilled workers. We can not allow this to happen to the ownership class
    - akimball 8y ago
      Who will wipe you when you are 97? Hard to find a citizen to do it.
      - lamarpye 8y ago
        Keep the unskilled labor tight, put upward pressure on wages for unskilled labor.
- mikeash 8y ago
  How is the caravan a problem to the welfare of Americans?
  - felix_nagaand 8y ago
    Finding that many beds, jobs, and teachers with room in their classes is hard to do. Even if every adult was skilled this would be a hard ask. Add the number of Americans who feel they are being ignored by the political class and we get a big ole stinking problem with lots of unsavory solutions.
    - mikeash 8y ago
      The caravan is about 5,000 people. It's shrinking steadily. There are approximately 11,000 babies born each day in the US. This does not look like a real problem.
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- natch 8y ago
  You asked for reasons along with any downvotes. I'm here to oblige you. Contrary to what has been reported in the Fox News / Trump Birds bubble, the people in the caravan have expressed their intention to follow a fully legal process of applying for asylum. As to why people lawfully applying for asylum might be a problem, I don't think it is a one. You may agree... or if you disagree, I would point out the fact that such acts follow a long tradition of lawful immigration to the United States, one which has built our country from some of the most motivated people in the world. But you may be laboring under the false assumption that they are intending to enter the US illegally. Based on the amount of false information being pushed by people with a lot of money and very loud voices, it seems likely that your opinion that the caravan is a problem may be based on this particular misunderstanding of what's going on... that you think they plan to enter illegally. If not, we're in a different conversation entirely, about what America is at its core.
  - lamarpye 8y ago
    Every single person in the caravan has expressed their intention to follow a fully legal process for applying for asylum? That is good to know, I guess there isn't any chance that they are lying or they don't understand the asylum process. Thank you for not adding to the false information being pushed by people with money.

Seems like a bigger problem than a bunch of migrants slowly walking towards the southern border.

Lolibturd 8y ago

Spin it!

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yanoz 8y ago

This doesn't seem like a problem to the welfare of Americans at all, while the caravan is. I presume that's the reason it's not in the news. Also the Ebola scare was already sold back in the day and in the end nothing important happened, so it's going to be hard to sell this. (If you're going to downvote please provide an argument, thanks.)

craftyguy 8y ago
> This doesn't seem like a problem to the welfare of Americans at all, while the caravan is. [citation needed] Immigration is pretty much required for a healthy economy[0] 0. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2017-07-10/economic-statistics-suggest-immigration-is-a-boost-to-the-us-economy https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2017-07-...
- yanoz 8y ago
  "better for the economy" doesn't always translate to better lives for the laymen. Also you have to understand some people don't want immigrants at all. But I was just giving a reason as to why this isn't on the media. No point on making this political.
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    > "better for the economy" doesn't always translate to better lives for the laymen. It arguably does far more times than it doesn't. > Also you have to understand some people don't want immigrants at all. Putting aside the fact that 99% of the time they are decedents of immigrants, I've yet to hear one compelling reason why they should be taken seriously.
    - yanoz 8y ago
      Whether you think that they should be taken seriously or not is irrelevant; they are citizens with a right to vote so their concerns are valid. Not taking people seriously and not listening to them over uncontrolled immigration is what led to Brexit. It is a serious problem for many people for a variety of reasons.
      - natch 8y ago
        Having a right to vote does not automatically make all concerns, including false and deluded ones, valid. Yes concerns should be listened to, and if the people have utterly ludicrous concerns, the people should be educated.
    - lamarpye 8y ago
      "Consent of the governed?" EDIT: Good to see the down votes
    - housingpost 8y ago
      I see that you’re not making any distinction between legal controlled immigration and illegal uncontrolled immigration. I think it’s arguable that illegal uncontrolled immigration is worse, and I’d start the argument by pointing to the condition of various communities in the United States that have the highest percentages of illegal immigrants.
      - deleted 8y ago
        [deleted]
  - tzakrajs 8y ago
    Actually, the way we gain quorum on what is better for the laymen is an incredibly political subject.
- lamarpye 8y ago
  Sure. We have a huge shortage of unskilled labor in the US, if this shortage isn't addressed, it might put upward pressure on wages for unskilled workers. We can not allow this to happen to the ownership class
  - akimball 8y ago
    Who will wipe you when you are 97? Hard to find a citizen to do it.
    - lamarpye 8y ago
      Keep the unskilled labor tight, put upward pressure on wages for unskilled labor.
mikeash 8y ago
How is the caravan a problem to the welfare of Americans?
- felix_nagaand 8y ago
  Finding that many beds, jobs, and teachers with room in their classes is hard to do. Even if every adult was skilled this would be a hard ask. Add the number of Americans who feel they are being ignored by the political class and we get a big ole stinking problem with lots of unsavory solutions.
  - mikeash 8y ago
    The caravan is about 5,000 people. It's shrinking steadily. There are approximately 11,000 babies born each day in the US. This does not look like a real problem.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
natch 8y ago
You asked for reasons along with any downvotes. I'm here to oblige you. Contrary to what has been reported in the Fox News / Trump Birds bubble, the people in the caravan have expressed their intention to follow a fully legal process of applying for asylum. As to why people lawfully applying for asylum might be a problem, I don't think it is a one. You may agree... or if you disagree, I would point out the fact that such acts follow a long tradition of lawful immigration to the United States, one which has built our country from some of the most motivated people in the world. But you may be laboring under the false assumption that they are intending to enter the US illegally. Based on the amount of false information being pushed by people with a lot of money and very loud voices, it seems likely that your opinion that the caravan is a problem may be based on this particular misunderstanding of what's going on... that you think they plan to enter illegally. If not, we're in a different conversation entirely, about what America is at its core.
- lamarpye 8y ago
  Every single person in the caravan has expressed their intention to follow a fully legal process for applying for asylum? That is good to know, I guess there isn't any chance that they are lying or they don't understand the asylum process. Thank you for not adding to the false information being pushed by people with money.