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At least in my state, getting a concealed carry permit requires: * birth certificate, passport, or other paperwork confirming lawful presence in the US * subm

At least in my state, getting a concealed carry permit requires: * birth certificate, passport, or other paperwork confirming lawful presence in the US * submitting a passport photo * have your fingerprints * notarized application And after you submit all this, the powers that be have 8 weeks to process it and conduct a criminal and background check where they can reject you for any reason. I've never seen a state issued student id, but I'm fairly certain you don't have to go through all these steps. I would argue that a CC permit should be a valid form of ID.

mikeash 8y ago
The point is that people who already have a CC permit are more likely to vote a certain way, and the valid forms of ID are deliberately chosen with this in mind to get more of those people to vote. One could make the case that the CC permit is more secure and this should be allowed, but that’s not how the decision is actually being made.
- yazan94 8y ago
  I totally get your point, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were correct. But at the same time, everyone who has a CC permit most likely also has a state issued ID, so it really is a moot point. from above: > The numbers you posted are specific for Driver's Licenses and Passports. The link you posted notes that general photo ids are possessed by white: 95%, black: 87%, hispanic: 90%. I am more interested why there are so many people who don't have government issued id's. Why is there a disparity? Is it an active systematic voter suppression tactic or other race-driven conspiracy? Or just how the pieces fall in terms of economic class and where these people live?
  - mikeash 8y ago
    I suspect it’s a mix. Historically, it’s probably been due to poverty and documentation, and that persists. Now that ID is being weaponized against certain voters, deliberate disenfranchisement comes in helping to keep it that way.
- CompanionCuuube 8y ago
  Which of those chosen were not done so on the basis of objective criteria regarding security? The CCW license and student id example is the most commonly trotted out one, and we've already gone over why one can be considered secure and the other can't.
  - mikeash 8y ago
    A prominent example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/29/the-smoking-gun-proving-north-carolina-republicans-tried-to-disenfranchise-black-voters/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/29/the-s...

mikeash 8y ago

The point is that people who already have a CC permit are more likely to vote a certain way, and the valid forms of ID are deliberately chosen with this in mind to get more of those people to vote. One could make the case that the CC permit is more secure and this should be allowed, but that’s not how the decision is actually being made.

yazan94 8y ago
I totally get your point, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were correct. But at the same time, everyone who has a CC permit most likely also has a state issued ID, so it really is a moot point. from above: > The numbers you posted are specific for Driver's Licenses and Passports. The link you posted notes that general photo ids are possessed by white: 95%, black: 87%, hispanic: 90%. I am more interested why there are so many people who don't have government issued id's. Why is there a disparity? Is it an active systematic voter suppression tactic or other race-driven conspiracy? Or just how the pieces fall in terms of economic class and where these people live?
- mikeash 8y ago
  I suspect it’s a mix. Historically, it’s probably been due to poverty and documentation, and that persists. Now that ID is being weaponized against certain voters, deliberate disenfranchisement comes in helping to keep it that way.
CompanionCuuube 8y ago
Which of those chosen were not done so on the basis of objective criteria regarding security? The CCW license and student id example is the most commonly trotted out one, and we've already gone over why one can be considered secure and the other can't.
- mikeash 8y ago
  A prominent example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/29/the-smoking-gun-proving-north-carolina-republicans-tried-to-disenfranchise-black-voters/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/29/the-s...