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would your friends agree to give this up if, in return, everyone else gave them up too?

by shoo 8y ago

pdimitar 8y ago
I would not. Whether I want to go somewhere 20km away (the other end of my city) or not has zero correlation if other people have cars or not.
- shoo 8y ago
  what about if there was some kind of global system of decision-making where others could influence or incentivise your day-to-day actions? e.g. hypothetically would you support a global carbon tax* priced high enough so that driving somewhere wasn't by default a sensible decision? * supposing, hypothetically, we had some effective way of reaching such an agreement and enforcing it
  - pdimitar 8y ago
    If the alternative was just as comfortable and fast, I would be the first to throw away my car. I have zero ego attachments to such objects, I am after their comfort and practical value.
    - Scea91 8y ago
      Do you hold similar stance to other things that require effort? For example: recycling?
      - pdimitar 8y ago
        I throw away stuff in designated trash cans but beyond that I don't see how I can help further. And I don't mind effort, at all. I go the extra mile at home to use less kitchen paper. I use less chemicals to clean around the house. I reuse phone and tablet chargers, and headphones. I don't buy new computers often (current PC is 8 years old now). I try and be disciplined. But I am no sewage treatment plant, or a plastic/metal melting foundry so I do what I can but not sure I am helping at all. I think many people misunderstand me in my bigger comment in this post: I try and help but (1) there's a line beyond which you are slaving yourself to supposed improvements you cannot see and so it becomes not worth it, and (2) I am asked to trust other organizations that if I throw away stuff in special areas then I am helping the planet. I don't mind #2 -- it's better than nothing. But I can and do mind #1 here and there. It's not such an unreasonable stance as many make it look.
- k_ 8y ago
  Doesn't seem too bad to me with a bike and a city giving priority to bikes. Surely less convenient than using a car, but I guess you get used to it. Like you are used to do it in something like 25 minutes with a car, even though there could be near-instant methods of travel available (it's science fiction but still to the point: when you don't have (or don't have any more, for some time) a better alternative, you can overlook many inconveniences).
  - pdimitar 8y ago
    People would not care and would ditch cars if the time and comfort were the same. If the comfort factor is not there though, I feel most wouldn't part with their cars.

would your friends agree to give this up if, in return, everyone else gave them up too?

by shoo 8y ago

would your friends agree to give this up if, in return, everyone else gave them up too?

I would not. Whether I want to go somewhere 20km away (the other end of my city) or not has zero correlation if other people have cars or not.

shoo 8y ago
what about if there was some kind of global system of decision-making where others could influence or incentivise your day-to-day actions? e.g. hypothetically would you support a global carbon tax* priced high enough so that driving somewhere wasn't by default a sensible decision? * supposing, hypothetically, we had some effective way of reaching such an agreement and enforcing it
- pdimitar 8y ago
  If the alternative was just as comfortable and fast, I would be the first to throw away my car. I have zero ego attachments to such objects, I am after their comfort and practical value.
  - Scea91 8y ago
    Do you hold similar stance to other things that require effort? For example: recycling?
    - pdimitar 8y ago
      I throw away stuff in designated trash cans but beyond that I don't see how I can help further. And I don't mind effort, at all. I go the extra mile at home to use less kitchen paper. I use less chemicals to clean around the house. I reuse phone and tablet chargers, and headphones. I don't buy new computers often (current PC is 8 years old now). I try and be disciplined. But I am no sewage treatment plant, or a plastic/metal melting foundry so I do what I can but not sure I am helping at all. I think many people misunderstand me in my bigger comment in this post: I try and help but (1) there's a line beyond which you are slaving yourself to supposed improvements you cannot see and so it becomes not worth it, and (2) I am asked to trust other organizations that if I throw away stuff in special areas then I am helping the planet. I don't mind #2 -- it's better than nothing. But I can and do mind #1 here and there. It's not such an unreasonable stance as many make it look.
k_ 8y ago
Doesn't seem too bad to me with a bike and a city giving priority to bikes. Surely less convenient than using a car, but I guess you get used to it. Like you are used to do it in something like 25 minutes with a car, even though there could be near-instant methods of travel available (it's science fiction but still to the point: when you don't have (or don't have any more, for some time) a better alternative, you can overlook many inconveniences).
- pdimitar 8y ago
  People would not care and would ditch cars if the time and comfort were the same. If the comfort factor is not there though, I feel most wouldn't part with their cars.