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[Computerphile - Why electric voting is a bad idea](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI). No hacker can hack

[Computerphile - Why electric voting is a bad idea](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI). No hacker can hack paper. Don't be triggered, but I still haven't seen any real evidence of "Russian Hacking" of the Election. Until now it has only been a political game to discredit Wikileaks. You can find some reasonable neutral info on https://original.antiwar.com/ https://original.antiwar.com/ But there were some actual hacking reports like plugging USB-sticks in voting machines. The most recent one I found is an [alleged failed hack in Georgia](http://archive.is/d9d4a http://archive.is/d9d4a). These are all cases that I want to be looked at, but I do not see that in the news. There are plans by Homelands security to take over the election infrastructure. If you trust them it is ok. If they start to plant their own votes, we may never know. That makes some people afraid that it is the patriot act for elections. The simple and cheap solution is to have no computer voting without a clear paper backlog and registration. Let's make recounts standard (and put those pensioners to work). No computers, no hackers, no cheaters, no problem. A more direct problem is corruption due to too much power and money in politics. Organisations like http://represent.us http://represent.us may stop that. Anyway be friendly to humans that think differently than you, and vote for what you think is best.

cwkoss 8y ago
<tinfoil hat> I think domestic criminal "Political Interest Groups" may be attempting to hack US elections and are fanning flames on Russia Hacking stories because it makes for useful cover </tinfoil>
- ImprovedSilence 8y ago
  It's neither of the above. The goal is not to actually hack a system and change votes(and thus leave a trace) but to cast doubt onto the integrity of the vote as a whole. Thus cuing <tinfoil> any reason to throw out results of an election. I'm not going to speculate on the actors or their motives behind this though, and it could be many layers deep... But I promise you, that's the long play currently underway.
  - cwkoss 8y ago
    We may both be correct. I think there is likely a diverse set of nefarious actors constantly taking often-conflicting self-serving actions.
akiselev 8y ago
Your source for "reasonable neutral info" is a nonsense conspiracy rag. I clicked on one of the articles and one of the opening sentences included "the Deep State amalgam that includes foreign intelligence agencies as well as Trump’s domestic opponents." It's right wing crap. Read the indictments: https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download
- shard972 8y ago
  To believe there is no such thing as the deep state to me is pretty unbelievable. You would have to be seriously naive to believe that in such a divided country that everyone who works in the government is completely neutral in their politics and would never act upon them within their positions of power.
  - hannasanarion 8y ago
    Your conjecture that individuals can be biased under prezsure is not evidence of a vast plot to undermine Republicans and put Jews in power.
  - r00fus 8y ago
    The right wing has a whole lot of psychological projection going on. The GOP is rife with documented examples of back room deals that would easily qualify as "deep state" (eg the Iran hostage deal). However it's the right wing that claim that Trump's enemies are "deep state".
patagonia 8y ago
Ballot-box stuffing? A “hack” can be perpertrated utilizing non-computational methods...
- hannasanarion 8y ago
  A single person can only stuff one ballot box. A single person can write code to change ten million votes. Which would you rather be vulnerable to?
  - patagonia 8y ago
    Neither. But that really isn’t an option. My point wasn’t to say ballot-box stuffing was worse than electronic versions of voter fraud. I was disagreeing with the comment: “No hacker can hack paper.” Yes. Paper can be hacked. That’s pretty straight forward. We know it’s happened.
TazeTSchnitzel 8y ago
> Don't be triggered, This type of puerile language is not conducive to reasonable discussion.
zyxzevn 8y ago
Hacking elections is so 2000... https://www.bitchute.com/video/4JV7r2In40A/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/4JV7r2In40A/

cwkoss 8y ago

<tinfoil hat> I think domestic criminal "Political Interest Groups" may be attempting to hack US elections and are fanning flames on Russia Hacking stories because it makes for useful cover </tinfoil>

ImprovedSilence 8y ago
It's neither of the above. The goal is not to actually hack a system and change votes(and thus leave a trace) but to cast doubt onto the integrity of the vote as a whole. Thus cuing <tinfoil> any reason to throw out results of an election. I'm not going to speculate on the actors or their motives behind this though, and it could be many layers deep... But I promise you, that's the long play currently underway.
- cwkoss 8y ago
  We may both be correct. I think there is likely a diverse set of nefarious actors constantly taking often-conflicting self-serving actions.

akiselev 8y ago

Your source for "reasonable neutral info" is a nonsense conspiracy rag. I clicked on one of the articles and one of the opening sentences included "the Deep State amalgam that includes foreign intelligence agencies as well as Trump’s domestic opponents." It's right wing crap. Read the indictments: https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

shard972 8y ago
To believe there is no such thing as the deep state to me is pretty unbelievable. You would have to be seriously naive to believe that in such a divided country that everyone who works in the government is completely neutral in their politics and would never act upon them within their positions of power.
- hannasanarion 8y ago
  Your conjecture that individuals can be biased under prezsure is not evidence of a vast plot to undermine Republicans and put Jews in power.
- r00fus 8y ago
  The right wing has a whole lot of psychological projection going on. The GOP is rife with documented examples of back room deals that would easily qualify as "deep state" (eg the Iran hostage deal). However it's the right wing that claim that Trump's enemies are "deep state".

patagonia 8y ago

Ballot-box stuffing? A “hack” can be perpertrated utilizing non-computational methods...

hannasanarion 8y ago
A single person can only stuff one ballot box. A single person can write code to change ten million votes. Which would you rather be vulnerable to?
- patagonia 8y ago
  Neither. But that really isn’t an option. My point wasn’t to say ballot-box stuffing was worse than electronic versions of voter fraud. I was disagreeing with the comment: “No hacker can hack paper.” Yes. Paper can be hacked. That’s pretty straight forward. We know it’s happened.

TazeTSchnitzel 8y ago

> Don't be triggered, This type of puerile language is not conducive to reasonable discussion.

zyxzevn 8y ago

Hacking elections is so 2000... https://www.bitchute.com/video/4JV7r2In40A/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/4JV7r2In40A/