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I'm not sure it has to be so difficult. It took me about an hour to come up with a scheme for creating long, unique, and random looking passwords that are very

by codyb 8y ago

I'm not sure it has to be so difficult. It took me about an hour to come up with a scheme for creating long, unique, and random looking passwords that are very easy to remember. Basically I have a prefix of length 7 which is two words, where some of the letters get converted to numbers, and then I use shift to make them into special characters. Then for each website I append a different word that has some meaning for me, and convert the letters to numbers. Then I add a special character at the end. A typical password might look like P!^^w)r$M19175r? Which is very easy for me to remember and type, reasonably long, and certainly not on any lists of most commonly used passwords. Ways you could improve this method would be to have different prefixes for different industries (banking, social media, etc).

thaumaturgy 8y ago
Yes, there are this and myriad other schemes to accomplish the same thing. This doesn't much help the average customer service worker who struggles to give correct change if you hand them cash in an amount that's not a round number. Passwords are a thing that need to work for everyone, which means they need to work for the lowest common denominator too, which means the GP is correct to point out that password advice is contradictory: the lowest common denominator cannot both use strong, unique passwords and avoid using some other kind of technology to assist with that.
rofo1 8y ago
Do you really think regular users will do anything remotely close to this? Based on my interactions with normal/regular users, the chance for this to happen at any meaningful scale is zero (0)
- codyb 8y ago
  I'm not certain regular users will, but I do believe that this should probably be practical knowledge that could be taught in schools considering the far reaching impacts of having financial accounts or email accounts hacked. Alternatively teaching about the use of password managers might not be a bad idea. But digital literacy should certainly be something that our society focuses on teaching it's young adults and keeping your accounts secure is one big component of that. But considering our schools don't teach us about credit scores, and a myriad of other very useful things that can impact you in large ways down the line, I guess I'm not so hopeful.
sinatra 8y ago
I used to do something like this too before I moved to password managers. The reasons were: - If a password on a website is stolen or if the website forces me to change password, then my "rules based password generation" becomes a problem. Now, it needs to handle variations. And, with hundreds of websites, I won't remember which variation a certain website password is on. - If a website has password rules that don't let me use my "rules based password generation," then what do I do? I tried having an alternative generation rule, but different websites have different password rules. So, no one / two / three generation rules will be able to generate acceptable passwords. - The "append a different word" requirement is tricky. How do you append a different word for each of the hundreds of domains while having a way to mentally recall them? I chose to use the domain name and shift all letters up by one. However, that failed with sites that use multiple domain names. - Sharing passwords with my wife became a hassle because the rules and variations were becoming too much for her.

by codyb 8y ago

thaumaturgy 8y ago

Yes, there are this and myriad other schemes to accomplish the same thing. This doesn't much help the average customer service worker who struggles to give correct change if you hand them cash in an amount that's not a round number. Passwords are a thing that need to work for everyone, which means they need to work for the lowest common denominator too, which means the GP is correct to point out that password advice is contradictory: the lowest common denominator cannot both use strong, unique passwords and avoid using some other kind of technology to assist with that.

rofo1 8y ago

Do you really think regular users will do anything remotely close to this? Based on my interactions with normal/regular users, the chance for this to happen at any meaningful scale is zero (0)

codyb 8y ago
I'm not certain regular users will, but I do believe that this should probably be practical knowledge that could be taught in schools considering the far reaching impacts of having financial accounts or email accounts hacked. Alternatively teaching about the use of password managers might not be a bad idea. But digital literacy should certainly be something that our society focuses on teaching it's young adults and keeping your accounts secure is one big component of that. But considering our schools don't teach us about credit scores, and a myriad of other very useful things that can impact you in large ways down the line, I guess I'm not so hopeful.

sinatra 8y ago

I used to do something like this too before I moved to password managers. The reasons were: - If a password on a website is stolen or if the website forces me to change password, then my "rules based password generation" becomes a problem. Now, it needs to handle variations. And, with hundreds of websites, I won't remember which variation a certain website password is on. - If a website has password rules that don't let me use my "rules based password generation," then what do I do? I tried having an alternative generation rule, but different websites have different password rules. So, no one / two / three generation rules will be able to generate acceptable passwords. - The "append a different word" requirement is tricky. How do you append a different word for each of the hundreds of domains while having a way to mentally recall them? I chose to use the domain name and shift all letters up by one. However, that failed with sites that use multiple domain names. - Sharing passwords with my wife became a hassle because the rules and variations were becoming too much for her.