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So, this is the industry that: - puts flashing colored boxes in front of our faces at any possible opportunity - requires us to click through multiple popups

So, this is the industry that: - puts flashing colored boxes in front of our faces at any possible opportunity - requires us to click through multiple popups to access almost any for-profit website - has normalized the act of wasting human life at a mass scale by injecting multi-minute time-wasting sessions in activities "How hustle culture took over"? It's a hustle by default. I'd call it a swindle.

village-idiot 8y ago
I always thought that hustler was synonymous with confidence artist or a low level scammer. That it’s now considered a positive word is fascinating to me.
- Cthulhu_ 8y ago
  Hustler yes, but hustling is a verb, often used in e.g. sports movies / events.
- nkrisc 8y ago
  A hustler hustles, but one who hustles isn't always a hustler.
  - gitgud 8y ago
    Poetic, but that could be said about anything; A programmer programs, but one who programs isn't always a programmer...
    - nkrisc 8y ago
      Yes, it could be said about anything. And if someone thought that someone who programs must be a programmer I'd have said the same you said.
- dec0dedab0de 8y ago
  I first learned the word hustler in the mid 80s when my soccer coach had a "hustler of the day" award for every game. It went to whoever worked the hardest that day.
- sin7 8y ago
  Hustler is used a lot in rap. It's always been there. A hustler hustles. They put in work. They are in the grind. It's all about turning a nickel into a dime. In other words, they sell a lot of crack. Nothing deep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbwTCrnktY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbwTCrnktY - Cassidy - I'm a hustler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv6CbP4kVno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv6CbP4kVno - Lil Wayne - Hustler Muzic
  - haskellandchill 8y ago
    Selling drugs is pretty deep, try it sometime. You really feel every dollar. Now I’m more connected to money and survival. Great capitalism experience 10/10.
    - village-idiot 8y ago
      Depends on the drug and where you are. Selling crack on Chicago’s southwest side used to be more fatal than Texas’ death row.
  - Nasrudith 8y ago
    Reminds me of the other usage of hustling which is an incongruous clash with the macho image - male prostitution mostly to other men and the occasional older women. Not judging either and I fully understand that it is a serious situation - just noting the inadvertent humor in linguistic drift. Technically I believe it often meant any odd job to make money whether legal, illegal or a grey area. So selling weed, shoveling a driveway, and busking where you could get kicked out at worst all count.
- cambalache 8y ago
  The word was gentrified.
liftbigweights 8y ago
Don't forget ads in movie trailers! Now that is "ingenious". Forcing you to watch an ad to watch an ad. The guy who thought of that deserves "Advertiser of the Year" award and a "Crime against Humanity" charge.
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balthasar 8y ago
The employees still deserve to be respected and allowed to live normal lives outside of this corporate "hustler culture."
- esotericn 8y ago
  Why should employment be treated as a shroud? If you spend the majority of your time working to abuse your fellow man, I don't respect that, and see no reason why I should. That is not, and should not be accepted as, a "normal life". Advertising companies are a disease.
  - tome 8y ago
    (I found this usage of "shroud" interesting. It seems to be in the same sense as "corporate veil": https://www.guffo.in/lifting-corporate-veil-circumstances-can-lifted/ https://www.guffo.in/lifting-corporate-veil-circumstances-ca... )
    - epicureanideal 8y ago
      I agree... this is an interesting concept we should explore. As an analogy to the corporate veil, basically anything a person would do in their employment would generally be forgiven as "well, you've gotta make a living", unless it reaches a point where it's sufficiently morally wrong to still hold the person responsible for their actions on the job. For example, if their job were Winston Smith's (George Orwell character) job of editing historical news articles to distort the past, then we might say Winston is still personally responsible. The difficulty here is holding CEOs responsible for crimes with "piercing the corporate veil" is holding a high level, powerful decision-maker, with options, responsible... rather than a person who might be trying to support 5 kids and some elderly parents, and couldn't just choose to sweep the street instead of working at the Ministry of Information for 6 figures.
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lanewinfield 8y ago
Hatred of advertising at a larger scale, nice. How are those people on said websites (and almost any other medium) supposed to make money?
- eiaoa 8y ago
  > How are those people on said websites (and almost any other medium) supposed to make money? 1. Have less annoying ads that respect the user. 2. Charge money. 3. Some novel funding model that's unexplored because obnoxious ads dominate everything and suck all the air out of the room.
  - lanewinfield 8y ago
    Let me preface this by a large percentage of people in advertising are not creating #1. BUT: 1. That's fair, but it takes time and talent to create these. 2. Clearly that isn't working; see almost any news site in existence 3. This is a hope, and a nice one. https://scroll.com/ https://scroll.com/
    - anigbrowl 8y ago
      3. OK they have a different business model and lots of content partners, but they won't tell you what it is, just invite you to sign up. I'm guessing it involves monetizing email addresses. If this content free proposition is your idea of a nice prospect, what is it based on? Anyone can say they have laudable goals, like beauty contestants who aspire to bring about world peace and end hunger. Perhaps they're just saying nice things without any real capability or intention to deliver?
  - TremendousJudge 8y ago
    you know, sometimes I wonder how the internet would look like today if every time you loaded content from a server some money would automatically go their way (a tiny payment compensating for server time of sorts)
    - 8y ago

village-idiot 8y ago

I always thought that hustler was synonymous with confidence artist or a low level scammer. That it’s now considered a positive word is fascinating to me.

Cthulhu_ 8y ago
Hustler yes, but hustling is a verb, often used in e.g. sports movies / events.
nkrisc 8y ago
A hustler hustles, but one who hustles isn't always a hustler.
- gitgud 8y ago
  Poetic, but that could be said about anything; A programmer programs, but one who programs isn't always a programmer...
  - nkrisc 8y ago
    Yes, it could be said about anything. And if someone thought that someone who programs must be a programmer I'd have said the same you said.
dec0dedab0de 8y ago
I first learned the word hustler in the mid 80s when my soccer coach had a "hustler of the day" award for every game. It went to whoever worked the hardest that day.
sin7 8y ago
Hustler is used a lot in rap. It's always been there. A hustler hustles. They put in work. They are in the grind. It's all about turning a nickel into a dime. In other words, they sell a lot of crack. Nothing deep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbwTCrnktY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbwTCrnktY - Cassidy - I'm a hustler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv6CbP4kVno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv6CbP4kVno - Lil Wayne - Hustler Muzic
- haskellandchill 8y ago
  Selling drugs is pretty deep, try it sometime. You really feel every dollar. Now I’m more connected to money and survival. Great capitalism experience 10/10.
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    Depends on the drug and where you are. Selling crack on Chicago’s southwest side used to be more fatal than Texas’ death row.
- Nasrudith 8y ago
  Reminds me of the other usage of hustling which is an incongruous clash with the macho image - male prostitution mostly to other men and the occasional older women. Not judging either and I fully understand that it is a serious situation - just noting the inadvertent humor in linguistic drift. Technically I believe it often meant any odd job to make money whether legal, illegal or a grey area. So selling weed, shoveling a driveway, and busking where you could get kicked out at worst all count.
cambalache 8y ago
The word was gentrified.

liftbigweights 8y ago

Don't forget ads in movie trailers! Now that is "ingenious". Forcing you to watch an ad to watch an ad. The guy who thought of that deserves "Advertiser of the Year" award and a "Crime against Humanity" charge.

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balthasar 8y ago

The employees still deserve to be respected and allowed to live normal lives outside of this corporate "hustler culture."

esotericn 8y ago
Why should employment be treated as a shroud? If you spend the majority of your time working to abuse your fellow man, I don't respect that, and see no reason why I should. That is not, and should not be accepted as, a "normal life". Advertising companies are a disease.
- tome 8y ago
  (I found this usage of "shroud" interesting. It seems to be in the same sense as "corporate veil": https://www.guffo.in/lifting-corporate-veil-circumstances-can-lifted/ https://www.guffo.in/lifting-corporate-veil-circumstances-ca... )
  - epicureanideal 8y ago
    I agree... this is an interesting concept we should explore. As an analogy to the corporate veil, basically anything a person would do in their employment would generally be forgiven as "well, you've gotta make a living", unless it reaches a point where it's sufficiently morally wrong to still hold the person responsible for their actions on the job. For example, if their job were Winston Smith's (George Orwell character) job of editing historical news articles to distort the past, then we might say Winston is still personally responsible. The difficulty here is holding CEOs responsible for crimes with "piercing the corporate veil" is holding a high level, powerful decision-maker, with options, responsible... rather than a person who might be trying to support 5 kids and some elderly parents, and couldn't just choose to sweep the street instead of working at the Ministry of Information for 6 figures.
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- edm0nd 8y ago

lanewinfield 8y ago

Hatred of advertising at a larger scale, nice. How are those people on said websites (and almost any other medium) supposed to make money?

eiaoa 8y ago
> How are those people on said websites (and almost any other medium) supposed to make money? 1. Have less annoying ads that respect the user. 2. Charge money. 3. Some novel funding model that's unexplored because obnoxious ads dominate everything and suck all the air out of the room.
- lanewinfield 8y ago
  Let me preface this by a large percentage of people in advertising are not creating #1. BUT: 1. That's fair, but it takes time and talent to create these. 2. Clearly that isn't working; see almost any news site in existence 3. This is a hope, and a nice one. https://scroll.com/ https://scroll.com/
  - anigbrowl 8y ago
    3. OK they have a different business model and lots of content partners, but they won't tell you what it is, just invite you to sign up. I'm guessing it involves monetizing email addresses. If this content free proposition is your idea of a nice prospect, what is it based on? Anyone can say they have laudable goals, like beauty contestants who aspire to bring about world peace and end hunger. Perhaps they're just saying nice things without any real capability or intention to deliver?
- TremendousJudge 8y ago
  you know, sometimes I wonder how the internet would look like today if every time you loaded content from a server some money would automatically go their way (a tiny payment compensating for server time of sorts)
  - 8y ago