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> This seems like non-news to me. Well, they do state their analysis is consistent with other data available (which they cite). > Really, what we are discussi

> This seems like non-news to me. Well, they do state their analysis is consistent with other data available (which they cite). > Really, what we are discussing here is lowering of inhibition. Not sure why you're getting down-voted, I think that's fairly accurate. I just read Sandberg's Lean In (recommended by a colleague), from the perspective of a male manager for multiple teams with women at multiple levels (I have 2 to 3 levels of folks below me and all my bosses are women). This concept of affluence lowering inhibition seems to hit Sandberg's thesis and frustration on the head. She knows, knows, friends-with-Gloria-Steinem, knows, that women worked really hard to get what they have, and she worries the current generation is not consolidating those gains and pushing forward but may instead be ceding won territory. But that's consistent with the resource hypothesis. They has, so they don't want moar. They want to be who they believe they should be, which, at least based on the 6 metrics I see in the paper, seems to be generally nicer people. Interestingly, IF I read that right, then by correlation, in those same affluent, gender-equal societies, the model predicts men would tend to be more male.

watwut 8y ago
> They want to be who they believe they should be, which, at least based on the 6 metrics I see in the paper, seems to be generally nicer people. My impression is that there is a lot more social pressure on women to be nice in western countries and especially united states. To the point that expectation is sometimes that women dont swear etc. I dont think I encountered that in Slavic countries that much despite them being less equal overall - the expected differences are elsewhere. The whole women and niceness issues sounded to me like crazy talk, until I learned more about western culture and spend more time in it at which point it started to make sense. The other thing is that I was personally the most like stereotype when I was stay at home with kids - and I was most unhappy during that time despite it being "choice". It seemed from outside I am choosing stereotypical things, but it was mostly adaptation to situation that looks good and sucked in ways that are hard to explain. Everyone chooses similar friends, but I was not alone in that. Similarly the least happy women I knew were wifes of well paid men (googlers) who effectively had to stay at home for social/practical reasons (she earned less and it was easier to organize kids/life this way). It was their choice, but primary topic was depression despite seemingly having zero problems in life.
- skookumchuck 8y ago
  > expectation is sometimes that women dont swear etc. FWIW, a woman swearing definitely lowers her attractiveness, at least to me, by quite a bit.
  - cjslep 8y ago
    My wife knows how to tell a story and use just a few curse words, if the company is right, to really deliver an impactful, humanizing, and relatable event. It's part of why I love her. Different strokes for different folks.
    - skookumchuck 8y ago
      Swearing can be very impactful when sparingly and appropriately applied. Using "fucking" as a universal adjective and "shit" as a universal noun not only lacks class, it is a complete absence of eloquence.
    - ddingus 8y ago
      Profanity as a part of speech. She gets it. Lazy profanity carries most of the value in the expression. Carlin: Fuck the fucking fuckers. Not lazy profanity adds to strong value, and is valid and potent. You picked well. I have one of those in my life too. She is a gem.
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    For another data point: I'm an American woman. I swear like a sailor. Sadly, this has failed to be man-repellent. If only! My life would be vastly simpler if my foul mouth just got me left the hell alone by men. Also, everything I have read and experienced suggests that other women are a huge source of social pressure on female behavior, possibly far more than male sexual predilections. An actress once said "I dress for women. I undress for men." That seems to sum certain things up nicely in a nutshell.
    - skookumchuck 8y ago
dandare 8y ago
I think he is being downvoted for the low quality of the comment. A study on 80,000 individuals in 76 countries is not "news", it is a high-quality science. Stating blatantly that "Really, what we are discussing here is lowering of inhibition." is a low effort conclusion when the study actually compares the competing "social role hypothesis" and "resource hypothesis".
- ddingus 8y ago
  It is high quality science. Sometimes science is affirmative. I am surprised this is not seen that way, that is all. From the reading here, I should be. Honestly, it just means my natural inclinations toward gender issues are not far off the mark. That may be less common than I realized.

watwut 8y ago

> They want to be who they believe they should be, which, at least based on the 6 metrics I see in the paper, seems to be generally nicer people. My impression is that there is a lot more social pressure on women to be nice in western countries and especially united states. To the point that expectation is sometimes that women dont swear etc. I dont think I encountered that in Slavic countries that much despite them being less equal overall - the expected differences are elsewhere. The whole women and niceness issues sounded to me like crazy talk, until I learned more about western culture and spend more time in it at which point it started to make sense. The other thing is that I was personally the most like stereotype when I was stay at home with kids - and I was most unhappy during that time despite it being "choice". It seemed from outside I am choosing stereotypical things, but it was mostly adaptation to situation that looks good and sucked in ways that are hard to explain. Everyone chooses similar friends, but I was not alone in that. Similarly the least happy women I knew were wifes of well paid men (googlers) who effectively had to stay at home for social/practical reasons (she earned less and it was easier to organize kids/life this way). It was their choice, but primary topic was depression despite seemingly having zero problems in life.

skookumchuck 8y ago
> expectation is sometimes that women dont swear etc. FWIW, a woman swearing definitely lowers her attractiveness, at least to me, by quite a bit.
- cjslep 8y ago
  My wife knows how to tell a story and use just a few curse words, if the company is right, to really deliver an impactful, humanizing, and relatable event. It's part of why I love her. Different strokes for different folks.
  - skookumchuck 8y ago
    Swearing can be very impactful when sparingly and appropriately applied. Using "fucking" as a universal adjective and "shit" as a universal noun not only lacks class, it is a complete absence of eloquence.
  - ddingus 8y ago
    Profanity as a part of speech. She gets it. Lazy profanity carries most of the value in the expression. Carlin: Fuck the fucking fuckers. Not lazy profanity adds to strong value, and is valid and potent. You picked well. I have one of those in my life too. She is a gem.
- DoreenMichele 8y ago
  For another data point: I'm an American woman. I swear like a sailor. Sadly, this has failed to be man-repellent. If only! My life would be vastly simpler if my foul mouth just got me left the hell alone by men. Also, everything I have read and experienced suggests that other women are a huge source of social pressure on female behavior, possibly far more than male sexual predilections. An actress once said "I dress for women. I undress for men." That seems to sum certain things up nicely in a nutshell.
  - skookumchuck 8y ago

dandare 8y ago

I think he is being downvoted for the low quality of the comment. A study on 80,000 individuals in 76 countries is not "news", it is a high-quality science. Stating blatantly that "Really, what we are discussing here is lowering of inhibition." is a low effort conclusion when the study actually compares the competing "social role hypothesis" and "resource hypothesis".

ddingus 8y ago
It is high quality science. Sometimes science is affirmative. I am surprised this is not seen that way, that is all. From the reading here, I should be. Honestly, it just means my natural inclinations toward gender issues are not far off the mark. That may be less common than I realized.