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"its not about the problem" but if you cant correctly code one of these 200 algorithms on a whiteboard in sub 15 minutes while under extreme stress youre not g

"its not about the problem" but if you cant correctly code one of these 200 algorithms on a whiteboard in sub 15 minutes while under extreme stress youre not getting an offer either.

esoterica 8y ago
Clearly some people can do that, since Google hires thousands of people every year. Why shouldn't they be hired over you?
- adamnemecek 8y ago
  Because it's not a good measure of your programming skill. To be honest, I legit don't care whomst Google hires, what I hate is that there are all these other people who start adopting these attitudes and it can have a really shitty influence on the whole industry.
  - tananaev 8y ago
    I don't think you need to worry about it. Google does interviews like this because they can afford to reject many good developers because they have much more candidates than they actually need to hire. I guess only most popular tech companies can do that. I bet it will never become a standard for the whole industry.
    - adamnemecek 8y ago
      > I bet it will never become a standard for the whole industry. It's going away now but it kinda was not too long ago.
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- WalterSear 8y ago
  Because the people they hire can't do all the algorithms at interview speed either - they were just lucky to have reviewed the right material recently.
- jakelarkin 8y ago
  i'm fine but thanks for your concern. i just think its annoying because lots of companies cargo cult google and what thet do is a largely tangential skill set from the rigors of day to day programming work and knowledge. its a ritual from when they were hiring small numbers of graduate students with no real programming experience to measure them on. also the whiteboard is a relic of a time before there were laptops with hotswap 2nd screens.
Hysterisis 8y ago
You generally aren’t asked to implement a specific algorithm. You’re asked to solve a broad open ended question. You get 45 minutes, sometimes more if the interviewers can see that you’re close. These days Google offers the option of a chromebook instead of a whiteboard.
- jakelarkin 8y ago
  ah yes i'm sure everyone is out there leisurely deriving from first principles their implementation of XYZ graph algorithm which happened to be useful in the course of solving said "open ended question"
  - Hysterisis 8y ago
    You’re purposefully misrepresenting what I said to satisfy your preconceptions.
    - jakelarkin 8y ago
      speaking of misspresentation, i never said youre "asked" a pure algorithm question only that the timely implementation is a necessary component of succeeding thanks for explaining how coding interviews work to me thou, really had no idea based on the 200 i've administered in recent years or dozens taken in my career.
      - Hysterisis 8y ago
        Maintaining your level of aggression and resentment can’t be healthy.
- komali2 8y ago
  >These days Google offers the option of a chromebook instead of a whiteboard. This definitely isn't advertised, I interviewed there on Friday for frontend and was presented with an entire wall to write on. Would have preferred the Chromebook, could have done a final test run of the code, written out params and comments, tests, etc.

"its not about the problem" but if you cant correctly code one of these 200 algorithms on a whiteboard in sub 15 minutes while under extreme stress youre not getting an offer either.

esoterica 8y ago

Clearly some people can do that, since Google hires thousands of people every year. Why shouldn't they be hired over you?

adamnemecek 8y ago
Because it's not a good measure of your programming skill. To be honest, I legit don't care whomst Google hires, what I hate is that there are all these other people who start adopting these attitudes and it can have a really shitty influence on the whole industry.
- tananaev 8y ago
  I don't think you need to worry about it. Google does interviews like this because they can afford to reject many good developers because they have much more candidates than they actually need to hire. I guess only most popular tech companies can do that. I bet it will never become a standard for the whole industry.
  - adamnemecek 8y ago
    > I bet it will never become a standard for the whole industry. It's going away now but it kinda was not too long ago.
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WalterSear 8y ago
Because the people they hire can't do all the algorithms at interview speed either - they were just lucky to have reviewed the right material recently.
jakelarkin 8y ago
i'm fine but thanks for your concern. i just think its annoying because lots of companies cargo cult google and what thet do is a largely tangential skill set from the rigors of day to day programming work and knowledge. its a ritual from when they were hiring small numbers of graduate students with no real programming experience to measure them on. also the whiteboard is a relic of a time before there were laptops with hotswap 2nd screens.

Hysterisis 8y ago

You generally aren’t asked to implement a specific algorithm. You’re asked to solve a broad open ended question. You get 45 minutes, sometimes more if the interviewers can see that you’re close. These days Google offers the option of a chromebook instead of a whiteboard.

jakelarkin 8y ago
ah yes i'm sure everyone is out there leisurely deriving from first principles their implementation of XYZ graph algorithm which happened to be useful in the course of solving said "open ended question"
- Hysterisis 8y ago
  You’re purposefully misrepresenting what I said to satisfy your preconceptions.
  - jakelarkin 8y ago
    speaking of misspresentation, i never said youre "asked" a pure algorithm question only that the timely implementation is a necessary component of succeeding thanks for explaining how coding interviews work to me thou, really had no idea based on the 200 i've administered in recent years or dozens taken in my career.
    - Hysterisis 8y ago
      Maintaining your level of aggression and resentment can’t be healthy.
komali2 8y ago
>These days Google offers the option of a chromebook instead of a whiteboard. This definitely isn't advertised, I interviewed there on Friday for frontend and was presented with an entire wall to write on. Would have preferred the Chromebook, could have done a final test run of the code, written out params and comments, tests, etc.