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This excerpt: When the great white sees a human it scans us, its search image is picking up something that's not prey. ...They aren't animals that are after us

This excerpt: When the great white sees a human it scans us, its search image is picking up something that's not prey. ...They aren't animals that are after us, if they were, there would be attacks every day. Reminds me of the bear documentary filmmaker who was killed by the bears he was observing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell#Death

annamargot 8y ago
Timmy the Fox! King of all foxes ...and all bears. Great doc. Grizzly Man (2005): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWA7GtDmNFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWA7GtDmNFU
- BattyMilk 8y ago
  I can't decide if I think it's real or fake. It's a very good doc and Timothy's footage could absolutely be real but the people interviewed, every single one of them, just come across as fake and very very bad actors. Whenever the film comes up on Reddit I scan the comments and I've done a tiny bit of googling but it seems I'm in the minority with this opinion which I find strange since I can't fathom the interviewees are even close to genuine.
  - yesenadam 8y ago
    It's real. "could be real"? hehe. Yeah, Treadwell did his filming of himself, Herzog came along after his death and put together the movie, did the interviews, voiceover etc. He often encourages the bizarre in his docos, doesn't edit it out, often leaves the camera rolling on an interviewee ages longer than anyone else would - I love that. Uses the least appropriate music imaginable (which often works brilliantly) I know what you mean, they seem very, very odd. It's mainly that every other camera person/director tries to make things/people seem relatively normal, not-weird. I've seen almost all Herzog's docos, all worth seeing, Grizzly Man is my favourite though. The one about the internet, from a couple of years ago, is one of his best also. Try Fata Morgana for weirdness, or the bleak/beautiful Lessons of Darkness, both set in the desert.
booleandilemma 8y ago
Reading that wikipedia article was very unsettling (I don’t know what else I expected though)
- kevinmchugh 8y ago
  The film is much more unsettling.
pandapower2 8y ago
I was curious about this. >The one attack a year is an aberration. Is that just one attack a year in that specific region? There are certainly more than that globally. Earlier this year there were two attacks in Australia only hours apart. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-16/man-attacked-by-shark-near-gracetown-in-western-australia/9662422 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-16/man-attacked-by-shark...
- groby_b 8y ago
  It's about 50-100 a year world wide. The majority, oddly, in the US - seems even the sharks around here are more prone to violence. (No word on the Jets yet) But, seriously, given that we kill 100 million of them every year, they're surprisingly nice to us.
  - AvocadoPanic 8y ago
    Yes we'll, obviously US based sharks are being incited by the irresponsible rhetoric of the current administration.
  - quirkot 8y ago
    Keep it cool, boy. Real cool.
    - barrow-rider 8y ago
      Careful mon ami, someone might DANCE at you. Them pirouettes is scary.
- satori99 8y ago
  Another person was bitten in the same bay today; https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/shark-attack-near-cid-harbour-in-north-queensland/news-story/fb13ae93a7adb83b592da70fdec37562 https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/shark-attack-nea...
- sandworm101 8y ago
  I had a dive instructor one who had an interesting insight re attacks Hawaii. Surfer goes missing. Body is found later with massive, obvious, shark bites. Lungs full or water. Official story: surfer drowned and then was bitten. If a large shark wants to actually eat you, you aren't getting away to call it an attack. It is not abnormal for people to simply go missing on the ocean. If even a small percentage of these are attacks, the "one attack per year" mantra should be revisited. I would not recommend swimming, or walking, around any apex predator. They are very confident animals and are therefore curious. Watch a puppy 'inspect' an unusual object. You might not survive such curiosity. Google "red sea jaws", a story about a true rogue shark that attacked multiple people across several days. The animal has a deformed jaw and so the bites could be linked.
taneq 8y ago
That's what happens when you mistake "animal which doesn't think you're food" for "animal of a type which won't hurt you." Nature's pretty good at opportunism. A well-fed bear might be fairly safe, while that same bear if starving would eat you without a second thought.
- inawarminister 8y ago
  “Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.” Quark, ST: Deep Space 9
  - taneq 8y ago
    Precisely. Any reasonably survivable creature varies its behaviour depending on its current condition.
  - unstuckdev 8y ago
    I think this is why they had to bring in an enemy from across the galaxy for DS9. All the other militaristic Alpha Quadrant civilizations had seen humans in war and did not want to get on their bad side again. The Dominion hadn't yet seen first hand what lengths humans will go to when threatened.
  - barrow-rider 8y ago
    From the episode "The Siege of AR-558." Well done episode, if kind of on the nose. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Siege_of_AR-558_(episode) http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Siege_of_AR-558_(epis...
    - colanderman 8y ago
      One of the best (and most unique) in the series. The interested viewer should also watch the equally – if not more – powerful "It's Only a Paper Moon", which resolves events from "Siege": http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/It%27s_Only_a_Paper_Moon_%28episode%29 http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/It%27s_Only_a_Paper_Moon_...
TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
Reminds me of that thing that comedian said. I forget who. He was saying something like: A shark attack is when a shark with a baseball bat walks in to your living room while your watching a movie and says “shark attack!”. When you get bitten by one while your swimming or surfing, that’s a well deserved ass whipping.

annamargot 8y ago

Timmy the Fox! King of all foxes ...and all bears. Great doc. Grizzly Man (2005): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWA7GtDmNFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWA7GtDmNFU

BattyMilk 8y ago
I can't decide if I think it's real or fake. It's a very good doc and Timothy's footage could absolutely be real but the people interviewed, every single one of them, just come across as fake and very very bad actors. Whenever the film comes up on Reddit I scan the comments and I've done a tiny bit of googling but it seems I'm in the minority with this opinion which I find strange since I can't fathom the interviewees are even close to genuine.
- yesenadam 8y ago
  It's real. "could be real"? hehe. Yeah, Treadwell did his filming of himself, Herzog came along after his death and put together the movie, did the interviews, voiceover etc. He often encourages the bizarre in his docos, doesn't edit it out, often leaves the camera rolling on an interviewee ages longer than anyone else would - I love that. Uses the least appropriate music imaginable (which often works brilliantly) I know what you mean, they seem very, very odd. It's mainly that every other camera person/director tries to make things/people seem relatively normal, not-weird. I've seen almost all Herzog's docos, all worth seeing, Grizzly Man is my favourite though. The one about the internet, from a couple of years ago, is one of his best also. Try Fata Morgana for weirdness, or the bleak/beautiful Lessons of Darkness, both set in the desert.

booleandilemma 8y ago

Reading that wikipedia article was very unsettling (I don’t know what else I expected though)

kevinmchugh 8y ago
The film is much more unsettling.

pandapower2 8y ago

I was curious about this. >The one attack a year is an aberration. Is that just one attack a year in that specific region? There are certainly more than that globally. Earlier this year there were two attacks in Australia only hours apart. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-16/man-attacked-by-shark-near-gracetown-in-western-australia/9662422 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-16/man-attacked-by-shark...

groby_b 8y ago
It's about 50-100 a year world wide. The majority, oddly, in the US - seems even the sharks around here are more prone to violence. (No word on the Jets yet) But, seriously, given that we kill 100 million of them every year, they're surprisingly nice to us.
- AvocadoPanic 8y ago
  Yes we'll, obviously US based sharks are being incited by the irresponsible rhetoric of the current administration.
- quirkot 8y ago
  Keep it cool, boy. Real cool.
  - barrow-rider 8y ago
    Careful mon ami, someone might DANCE at you. Them pirouettes is scary.
satori99 8y ago
Another person was bitten in the same bay today; https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/shark-attack-near-cid-harbour-in-north-queensland/news-story/fb13ae93a7adb83b592da70fdec37562 https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/shark-attack-nea...
sandworm101 8y ago
I had a dive instructor one who had an interesting insight re attacks Hawaii. Surfer goes missing. Body is found later with massive, obvious, shark bites. Lungs full or water. Official story: surfer drowned and then was bitten. If a large shark wants to actually eat you, you aren't getting away to call it an attack. It is not abnormal for people to simply go missing on the ocean. If even a small percentage of these are attacks, the "one attack per year" mantra should be revisited. I would not recommend swimming, or walking, around any apex predator. They are very confident animals and are therefore curious. Watch a puppy 'inspect' an unusual object. You might not survive such curiosity. Google "red sea jaws", a story about a true rogue shark that attacked multiple people across several days. The animal has a deformed jaw and so the bites could be linked.

taneq 8y ago

That's what happens when you mistake "animal which doesn't think you're food" for "animal of a type which won't hurt you." Nature's pretty good at opportunism. A well-fed bear might be fairly safe, while that same bear if starving would eat you without a second thought.

inawarminister 8y ago
“Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.” Quark, ST: Deep Space 9
- taneq 8y ago
  Precisely. Any reasonably survivable creature varies its behaviour depending on its current condition.
- unstuckdev 8y ago
  I think this is why they had to bring in an enemy from across the galaxy for DS9. All the other militaristic Alpha Quadrant civilizations had seen humans in war and did not want to get on their bad side again. The Dominion hadn't yet seen first hand what lengths humans will go to when threatened.
- barrow-rider 8y ago
  From the episode "The Siege of AR-558." Well done episode, if kind of on the nose. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Siege_of_AR-558_(episode) http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Siege_of_AR-558_(epis...
  - colanderman 8y ago
    One of the best (and most unique) in the series. The interested viewer should also watch the equally – if not more – powerful "It's Only a Paper Moon", which resolves events from "Siege": http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/It%27s_Only_a_Paper_Moon_%28episode%29 http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/It%27s_Only_a_Paper_Moon_...

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago

Reminds me of that thing that comedian said. I forget who. He was saying something like: A shark attack is when a shark with a baseball bat walks in to your living room while your watching a movie and says “shark attack!”. When you get bitten by one while your swimming or surfing, that’s a well deserved ass whipping.