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Only a fraction of them end up being repeatable.

noja 8y ago
Those lucky fruit flies and llamas.
radus 8y ago
Not my field, but based on what I know of the quality of research in this lab and the fact that it was published in Science, I would be very surprised if the results aren't very solid and reproducible.
- sjwright 8y ago
  Then the next question is whether it will work effectively in humans, with no cure-worse-than-the-disease side-effects.
wyattpeak 8y ago
This fad is getting old, pharmacology has little trouble with reproducibility. Few early-stage trials make it to market, but that's an entirely different matter. The treatment they developed, and published in a highly regarded journal, almost certainly works as described. That's a very different beast from a treatment that will be effective in humans to the high standards we hold modern drugs to.
- garmaine 8y ago
  > The treatment they developed, and published in a highly regarded journal, almost certainly works as described. No, this is simply not true. Unless you also mean “cures the disease, but kills the patient for some other reason” and other net negative outcomes. Most of those studies are on tissue samples, or rodent analogs. That’s not the same as live trials and there is no basis for claiming they’d work in situ.
  - wyattpeak 8y ago
    The procedure was tested on live animals. I guarantee you that what they describe is precisely what happens. There's no guarantee that it prevents all types of flu, but that is not what the paper claims. There's further no guarantee that the rat survives, or mates, or becomes emperor of China for that matter. What is reproducible is what is described in the paper, not what you might wish would follow. Reproducibility is a very specific requirement. It requires that, following the procedure as outlined, you will find similar data. It has nothing to do with application, or utility, or anything else. It is simply that your results, for the same experiment, will be similar.

noja 8y ago

Those lucky fruit flies and llamas.

Not my field, but based on what I know of the quality of research in this lab and the fact that it was published in Science, I would be very surprised if the results aren't very solid and reproducible.

sjwright 8y ago
Then the next question is whether it will work effectively in humans, with no cure-worse-than-the-disease side-effects.

wyattpeak 8y ago

This fad is getting old, pharmacology has little trouble with reproducibility. Few early-stage trials make it to market, but that's an entirely different matter. The treatment they developed, and published in a highly regarded journal, almost certainly works as described. That's a very different beast from a treatment that will be effective in humans to the high standards we hold modern drugs to.

garmaine 8y ago
> The treatment they developed, and published in a highly regarded journal, almost certainly works as described. No, this is simply not true. Unless you also mean “cures the disease, but kills the patient for some other reason” and other net negative outcomes. Most of those studies are on tissue samples, or rodent analogs. That’s not the same as live trials and there is no basis for claiming they’d work in situ.
- wyattpeak 8y ago
  The procedure was tested on live animals. I guarantee you that what they describe is precisely what happens. There's no guarantee that it prevents all types of flu, but that is not what the paper claims. There's further no guarantee that the rat survives, or mates, or becomes emperor of China for that matter. What is reproducible is what is described in the paper, not what you might wish would follow. Reproducibility is a very specific requirement. It requires that, following the procedure as outlined, you will find similar data. It has nothing to do with application, or utility, or anything else. It is simply that your results, for the same experiment, will be similar.