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These might be considered useless but are not necessarily bullshit according to Graeber's definition. The definition of bullshit job is the person doing it know

by js8 8y ago

These might be considered useless but are not necessarily bullshit according to Graeber's definition. The definition of bullshit job is the person doing it knows that it is bullshit, yet they have to do it because there is no better job available for them. And to be honest, I am not really sure there is less bureaucrats (which are only sometimes bullshit jobs) in the market system. I actually suspect the opposite, because there are much more hierarchies, and there is less people needed in agriculture and industry.

misterman0 8y ago
Speaking of bullshit jobs and hierarchies, here's a tangent. Isn't it a little bit strange that we, the people of the world, who are striving for or already live in a market economy and a ndemocracy, are OK with living most of our lives in a hierarchy that in some ways resemble feudalism? Half the day I live according to this hierarchy: An Owner (who decide things) | CEO (decide/implement things) | CFO/CTO (decide/implement things) | Chief Product Owner (decide/implement things) | Chief Office Officer (mostly decides things) | Product Owner (decide/implement things) | Tech Lead/Systems Architect (decide/implement things) | Developer (implement things) I'm a developer. I've chosen not to participate in "climbing the ladder" because that would make me less of a developer and more something else. I'm happy being a developer but I find I don't at all enjoy being at the bottom. (edit: formatting)
- js8 8y ago
  I am in a similar position and I find it strange, too. That's why I am pro (direct) democracy and minimum basic income, and more or less against power hierarchies. But I know many people that don't want that, or don't care.
- petre 8y ago
  It's similar to a centrally planned economy but at a smaller scale. Imagine if your whole economy was organised like that, along with politics and you've got yourself a dystopia.

by js8 8y ago

misterman0 8y ago

Speaking of bullshit jobs and hierarchies, here's a tangent. Isn't it a little bit strange that we, the people of the world, who are striving for or already live in a market economy and a ndemocracy, are OK with living most of our lives in a hierarchy that in some ways resemble feudalism? Half the day I live according to this hierarchy: An Owner (who decide things) | CEO (decide/implement things) | CFO/CTO (decide/implement things) | Chief Product Owner (decide/implement things) | Chief Office Officer (mostly decides things) | Product Owner (decide/implement things) | Tech Lead/Systems Architect (decide/implement things) | Developer (implement things) I'm a developer. I've chosen not to participate in "climbing the ladder" because that would make me less of a developer and more something else. I'm happy being a developer but I find I don't at all enjoy being at the bottom. (edit: formatting)

js8 8y ago
I am in a similar position and I find it strange, too. That's why I am pro (direct) democracy and minimum basic income, and more or less against power hierarchies. But I know many people that don't want that, or don't care.
petre 8y ago
It's similar to a centrally planned economy but at a smaller scale. Imagine if your whole economy was organised like that, along with politics and you've got yourself a dystopia.