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For recruiters we are literally just a product they try to sell to their internal teams. Once you understand this everything else starts making sense.

BurningFrog 8y ago
It helps to think of it as my work is just a product being sold. It's also a more accurate model of what's going on.
- dymk 8y ago
  But that doens't fit in line with the model of dystopian slavery and recruiting that people _like_ to imagine happens at large companies.
- sfilargi 8y ago
  I don’t think that’s true for our interactions with the recruiter. At least the ones I have talked to, couldn’t care less about my work. They only care about the odds of me clearing the interview. Their behavior is linearly related to that.
  - BurningFrog 8y ago
    Rereading, I realize we're talking about slightly different things. I'm talking about the labor market in general, and my point is that your value is not $X/year, your work's value is, and it's good for your mental health to make that distinction, whether X happens to be high or low. You're talking about understanding the recruiter's incentives, and you're right that, like any sales people, they've focused on making the sale and getting their commission.
manfredo 8y ago
Depends on the recruiting team. For in-house recruiting teams they at lease have a stake in maintaining the company's image and reputation. The recruiters at my company go out of their way to emphasize that we want to give every candidate a good (or at least not-bad) experience, regardless of whether they get an offer. If an interviewer covers for someone who went out sick, or if otherwise goes beyond reasonable interviewing responsibilities the recruiting team tries to recognize it. I remember when I arranged for a candidate to meet a member of an ERG they expressed interest in, even though the candidate had unambiguously failed the interview. Someone on the recruiting team dropped off cookies at my desk the next day, it was sweet - pun somewhat intended.
- sokoloff 8y ago
  ERG? Google (and similar) didn’t disambiguate for me.
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - zerocrates 8y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_resource_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_resource_group I would presume.

BurningFrog 8y ago

It helps to think of it as my work is just a product being sold. It's also a more accurate model of what's going on.

dymk 8y ago
But that doens't fit in line with the model of dystopian slavery and recruiting that people _like_ to imagine happens at large companies.
sfilargi 8y ago
I don’t think that’s true for our interactions with the recruiter. At least the ones I have talked to, couldn’t care less about my work. They only care about the odds of me clearing the interview. Their behavior is linearly related to that.
- BurningFrog 8y ago
  Rereading, I realize we're talking about slightly different things. I'm talking about the labor market in general, and my point is that your value is not $X/year, your work's value is, and it's good for your mental health to make that distinction, whether X happens to be high or low. You're talking about understanding the recruiter's incentives, and you're right that, like any sales people, they've focused on making the sale and getting their commission.

manfredo 8y ago

Depends on the recruiting team. For in-house recruiting teams they at lease have a stake in maintaining the company's image and reputation. The recruiters at my company go out of their way to emphasize that we want to give every candidate a good (or at least not-bad) experience, regardless of whether they get an offer. If an interviewer covers for someone who went out sick, or if otherwise goes beyond reasonable interviewing responsibilities the recruiting team tries to recognize it. I remember when I arranged for a candidate to meet a member of an ERG they expressed interest in, even though the candidate had unambiguously failed the interview. Someone on the recruiting team dropped off cookies at my desk the next day, it was sweet - pun somewhat intended.

sokoloff 8y ago
ERG? Google (and similar) didn’t disambiguate for me.
- deleted 8y ago
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- zerocrates 8y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_resource_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_resource_group I would presume.