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Collapse != extinction
by newnewpdro 8y ago
Collapse != extinction
- esarbe 8y agoIt is, for humans. We've got a hard dependency on civilization because we've forgotten how to live without it and don't have any natural habitats we could live in (as hunter/gatherers) even if we remembered how.
- newnewpdro 8y agoB.S.
- esarbe 8y agoEven tough you've very eloquently made you point, would you care to elaborate? What of my argument is -- to quote you -- 'B.S.'?
- jogjayr 8y agoGiven the sheer number of people who might die or have reduced lifespans due to a collapse, it's a meaningless distinction.
- newnewpdro 8y agoIt's not a meaningless distinction at all. The collapse is the imbalanced system naturally correcting itself, and the humans who survive will go on to create more and the cycle repeats. Extinction means no more cycles for humans. Your view strikes me as a very my-generation me-centric attitude, focused on the sheer numbers of people living now vs. future generations.
- jogjayr 8y agoI don't understand the point you're trying to make. To me it sounds like you're saying (and correct me if I'm wrong) "Worrying about the massive human misery caused by ecosystem collapse is a selfish concern. Humans as a species will continue to exist." The second statement is technically true. But I don't understand how we can diminish the massive human misery caused to everyone you and I know.
- esarbe 8y agoWill they? Continue to exist? I'm not very certain about that. How would any human survive an ecosystem collapse? How would they sustain themselves? With technology that runs without any power, can be repaired without any specialized knowledge and operated without training? Because, you know, the ecosystem just collapsed and everybody not struggling for survival in a world unable to produce food is probably already dead. I'm not so sure at all.